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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 31 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Tess White

What is your message to women from the Women’s Support Project and the Alnisa service who have concerns? As I said, the Alnisa service reported a 50 per cent increase in the number of FGM cases in 2023. What is your message to such services about your personal commitment to delivering the required changes?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Tess White

Good morning, minister. I have a couple of questions. In its response to the committee, the Women’s Support Project talked about the delay in refreshing the national FGM guidance and implementing the act. It mentioned the perception that there is a lack of capacity in the Scottish Government’s equalities team. Are you satisfied that that team has the resources to deliver progress?

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Tess White

You will be familiar with the Alnisa service for women and girls across the NHS Lothian area who have experienced FGM. It reported a 50 per cent increase in the number of FGM cases in 2023. Members of that service will be watching today. What is your message to organisations such as the Women’s Support Project and the Alnisa service, particularly those that are massively concerned that the act has not been implemented yet?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Tess White

That, however, feels very wishy-washy because if we have an act that received royal assent 10 years ago—and we are having four sessions on this—and the evidence demonstrates that there is a lack of implementation, that is a huge issue. Might you be willing to consider a change in approach, because you cannot manage what you do not measure?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Tess White

So that is the one question that we need to ask.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Tess White

Will you be coming back before the end of the year?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Tess White

I will make a comment on that and then ask my final question.

We are being told that BSL is very much an afterthought in education. I give the example of the Education (Scotland) Bill. BSL was not factored into it at the outset. It has only come in at the end, through amendments, and that is upsetting to the deaf community. That is take-away feedback.

I told the previous panel of witnesses that we had the Deputy First Minister in front of us next, and I asked what one question they would like us to ask her and her officials. Members can correct me if I have it wrong, but I think that their question was, “What will you do to ensure that deaf children are all trained to use BSL in Scotland?”.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Tess White

Thank you. We are discussing our work programme later, and we can build that in.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Tess White

Good morning. My questions are for Dr Adam and Professor Kusters.

The BSL act has been in place since 22 October 2015, so it has been 10 years. That act of the Scottish Parliament stated that listed authorities had up to 12 months following the launch of the first national plan to publish their BSL plans. One concern that the committee has is that only 62 per cent of the local BSL plans were published in BSL at the same time as the English version. How should we hold listed authorities to account to meet the publishing requirements of the BSL act?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Tess White

To me, that is basic. You can measure other things, but you should first do the most basic thing right.

My colleague talked earlier about the comparison with Gaelic. Dr Adam talked about capacity building. We have heard from the previous two evidence sessions that there is a lack of capacity, for various reasons, whether it is a lack of interpreters, a lack of teachers or a lack of training facilities. However, when I compare Gaelic to BSL, I think that 2.7 per cent of people in Scotland speak Gaelic, and I think that 2.2 per cent are BSL users. They are very similar populations, yet the Scottish Government spends £30 million a year on Gaelic. We asked our research team, but we cannot find any evidence on how much the Scottish Government spends on BSL.

Dr Adam, you talked about lip service. That is lip service, and you cannot manage what you do not measure. As the British Deaf Association said, there is limited funding to support any development and implementation of the act. What is your view of that?