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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

You missed that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

Why did you deplete the university cash reserves with the amount of money that you spent, whether on capital or otherwise, and not use the revolving credit facility, as other institutions would do?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

Accountants have stressed that it was an incredibly unusual move that, when you knew that there was a problem in expenditure and income, you were continuing to use your cash reserves and depleting them rather than using the credit facility. It turns out that you probably could not have used the credit facility because of all the issues of covenant, but at no point did you ask why you were doing that rather than taking on long-term credit to ensure that you retained your cash position. That was a basic of the business. Did you not understand that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

That was in the report, though. It was not a case of the report not being produced; it had been sent to you all.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

Okay.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

I put on record, as I did yesterday, that I was previously employed at the University of Dundee. My time at the university overlapped with that of Professor Gillespie by perhaps three months. Earlier, you seemed to indicate that you were not happy when you were essentially asked to leave the university. Did you feel betrayed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

I am looking at how that relates to the budget, though. In June, you were told that you were modelling for a 25 per cent reduction, and other members of the executive said, “We should be looking at a reduction of at least 35 per cent”, but when the budget left that meeting, it continued on the basis of a 25 per cent reduction, did it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

What day was that? Can you give us even the month?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

It clearly was burning money and the building was alight at that point.

The character of the evidence that we have heard today is that you were a principal for the good times—a good-time Charlie—and, when the situation turned, you were completely inactive. You could not deal with it. You liked going abroad and being a credible face for the institution—Professor Gillies says that. However, when it came to the difficult decisions—the stuff that had to be done—you were just not interested, were you?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

Yesterday, we had an exchange with Jim McGeorge, who said that he also did not realise that the money had been spent. Peter Fotheringham said that it was a surprise to him that anybody did not know and that the university was never generating enough cash to spend on its fixed-assets programme.

The Gillies report makes clear that you and the chief operating officer were spending money hand over fist—it was flying out the door on staff and capital. You are smiling wryly, but it was a clear pattern of behaviour from you all.