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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 December 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Màiri McAllan

No matter how much or how little information people want to provide, I emphasise that our approach is all about empowering them.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Màiri McAllan

I agree that we do not want disparity in how the regulations are observed or in the approaches that local authorities take. The changes that we are making now provide an opportune moment to pause and review how local authorities currently operate and to support them to get to the point of having a broad, shared understanding of their obligations and what they need to do.

That is mainly happening in two ways. First, we are considering, and seeking to draw upon, best practice in local authority areas across the UK that are managing the process well. Secondly, we are implementing the toolkit that I mentioned, which will ultimately provide authorities with guidance on how the obligations arise and how to discharge them.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Màiri McAllan

If I were a prospective tenant, I would like to be able to assess how expensive my bills might be on the basis of the property’s heat retention rating. There is empowerment and the ability to choose on that side of things. Equally, the approach can help to drive behaviour change. I appreciate that the Government has a role to play in setting standards to accompany the foundation of the new EPC, but that is a discussion for another time—I will not open that up just now.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Màiri McAllan

That would largely be about our wrapper. Patrick, do you want to say a little bit about that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Màiri McAllan

Ross Loveridge will keep me right on this. Is it to go live on the 31st October next year?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Màiri McAllan

I will give my view on that, and then I will let my team come in with anything else that they would like to add. First, the whole thrust of our proposed changes is to empower consumers to understand more about the buildings that they are buying or renting. To do that, we need to have accurate and up-to-date information. There is a balance to be struck between ensuring that they have such information and understanding that, as you said, the frequency with which EPCs are required creates additional obligations for building owners. To our mind, the move from 10 to five years strikes that balance. Ultimately, we are asking that a property has only one more EPC in a decade, which, to me, feels like a proportionate way to ensure up-to-date and accurate information. When the committee heard evidence, bodies such as Which?, and others, were clear on that, too.

In both the social and private rented sectors, particularly when a landlord has a large portfolio, we are not just talking about them having to make one more certificate available. We have been considering how to work with the social rented sector on a framework for the procurement of EPCs for a large number of properties. We think that that could reduce costs by up to 20 per cent. The majority of PRS landlords have one property, but I am aware and conscious that some have more. We have been working with them on guidance for reusing data, for example, when updating an EPC.

I hope that, in all those ways, we can make what I think is a proportionate change all the less burdensome. I am also interested in and open minded to the idea that the validity period could move back to 10 years once a heat retention rating C has been achieved, but we will keep that under review.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Màiri McAllan

The other side of the auditing process involves the carrying out of local authorities’ enforcement obligations. Again, we are conscious of monitoring that. We are working on the extent to which local authorities are supported to understand their obligations and what is required of them. We are working with them on developing a toolkit to aid their understanding of their obligations as enforcement bodies and to help them to carry those out.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Màiri McAllan

That is a really important part of getting the new system right, because the main reasons for change—other than that it will better reflect the actions that we want to see in properties in contemporary Scotland—are to make the system more readily understandable and navigable for consumers and to empower them by providing them with information. It has been important to us that the process should reflect how easily, or otherwise, users can interact with it.

Even the way in which we describe the ratings is becoming more intuitive. We now talk about “heat retention rating”, “heating systems rating” and “cost of energy rating”. All those terms have been developed in response to feedback from ordinary people who have tried to navigate the system. Those aspects ought to be intuitive. Likewise, the certificate itself has been designed so that it will be more navigable and understandable. All that is being done because we want to empower consumers.

I come back to two points. The first is the period during which the new system will be implemented, which we have chosen deliberately. It is a year until we start implementation, and then there will be a hybrid year in which both the old and the new systems can be worked. I stress our intention that the new system will be rolled out with a strong consumer engagement and communications plan. However, as I said, we should be starting from a better position, given that the new system has been designed to be more easily navigable.

I wonder whether Ross Loveridge might say a bit about the number of users with whom we have worked on developing the system. He could also address the interface point, because it is quite technical.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Màiri McAllan

We are conscious that, whenever a change such as this one is made, it is seen as a fundamental change. However, I take a lot of comfort from the comparison with 2008-09, when there was a much more significant jump in the requirement to produce EPCs than what we expect now, and we have spread it over two years.

Again, reflecting on what I said earlier, I would say that the EPC is ultimately a neutral piece of work. We will have to watch much more closely to see how the regulated standards that come atop it change or impact the property market.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Màiri McAllan

There is an updated process. I will swiftly hand over to the technical experts to speak to that.