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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

Good morning. Mr Sousa, I want to talk to you briefly about the issues in the wider UK economy. It is anticipated that the UK black hole is £41.2 billion; debt is around £2.7 trillion. We have seen the yield on 30-year bonds. Potentially, there could be a sovereign debt crisis. You have referenced the very late autumn statement, with a potential impact here. One of the things that worries me is that we tend to take a very nearside view on some of the challenges for the Scottish Government without looking at the bigger picture, so I would appreciate your reflections on that economic reality. There is a good reason why there will be a very late autumn budget. I would appreciate your reflections on that, casting back to some of the complexity and uncertainty that the Scottish Government needs to deal with.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

Following on from that, Mr Robinson, from your audit perspective, you are uniquely placed to take the view that the best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. Looking at the context, what do you sense is the appetite, based on reading the documents that we are discussing today, for real substantive change rather than keeping the ball bouncing in the light of the considerable uncertainty and complexity? You have long experience in your career. Is there real appetite for change, or are we just necessarily in the time, not that far away from an election, where we can bounce the ball beyond the election?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

I remember bringing up the need for women commissioners with Graeme Roy, probably in 2021. Many people are blindsided because they forget about systemic issues flowing through economics that affect women, and we tend not to gather supporting data that allow for various hypotheses. In my opinion, Professor Roy has done a very good job thus far in starting to broaden out the work of the Fiscal Commission. What do you think that you can bring to the table in that regard, because it still seems like there is quite a gap because we do not always ask the question, “What does the data tell us about women?” If we do not have that data, we need to ask what we can do about that, because we need to understand what the systemic issues are before we try to change them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

Hello, and thank you for joining us. I noticed on your CV that you are a non-executive board member of Paragon Music Ltd.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

Do you think that that alternative experience—I suppose that one might refer to it as cognitive diversity—is something that you will be able to bring to the perhaps slightly dry subject matter of the Scottish Fiscal Commission?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

We find it exciting, but hey.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

You are absolutely bang on in what you say. You are illustrating by example some of the considerations that might be made when undertaking reform, mapped against continued delivery. The point that I am making is whether, from a public administration perspective, we are missing a trick by not going back to the way we thought things were—that is, ministers and cabinet secretaries set the priorities and attempt to deliver against them, which is very difficult—and removing the civil servants or the former permanent secretary in this example. We need to make sure that they, too, are part of the mix. If it comes down to accountability and final say in the case of headcount, that to me is quite fundamental as to how we assess the probability of delivery. There is not a general discussion about understanding that complexity in the normal way of doing things.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

Thank you for joining us. I read your CV with interest as well, and there is no denying the depth of your hinterland. Following on from Ross Greer’s question, to what extent do you regard your depth of knowledge, which you have built up over many years, as an opportunity and to what extent do you regard it as a risk? You are steeped in a prevailing culture of thinking, particularly linking back to the Treasury, whose tentacles reach everywhere.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

Yes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michelle Thomson

In your application, you make the statement:

“I have called out bad or dishonest practices.”

Obviously, I do not expect you to cite individual examples, but I am interested that you deliberately chose to do that. I do not want to put words in your mouth, but I am interested in your view of ethics and why you put that in your application. It would be useful to understand a bit more about why you felt that that was sufficiently important.