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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Michael Marra rightly suggested that a number of areas have not been fully considered in the bill. The original financial memorandum estimated the costs of the bill over the five years between 2022-23 and 2026-27 as being between £644 million and £1,261 million. Are those still the estimates, or are the figures considerably higher?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

I get the points that have been made, but you would have to go to people in the Highlands and Islands and say to them that more power needs to be in Edinburgh. Nobody wants to make that argument. In fact, in the Highlands, Inverness is seen as the great collector of power. It is really difficult to strike the balance.

I want to come back to Rachel Cook’s point about the rural aspect. We have talked about business confidence being low across the UK, but your focus was on that being the case in Scotland. I wonder whether there are regional differences, as well.

I represent the Highlands and Islands. Small businesses are absolutely vital—they are the lifeblood of communities across the region. Is there a difference between business confidence there and that in other parts of Scotland?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Louise, for full transparency, I note that I was in one of your establishments only a week or so ago. Having been bought a gin and tonic, I feel slightly seen by your Pat Butcher comment. [Laughter.] The place was fantastic and it was very well looked after, but it was quieter than I would expect in Edinburgh on a Saturday evening. I know from speaking to other people in the sector that there is real pressure on our town centres and that our city centres are not as busy as they have been. There has been behavioural change among a lot of people.

Michelle Thomson and I were both on the Economy and Fair Work Committee, which produced a report recently on town centres. It was interesting to hear some of the proposed solutions and suggestions on what we need to be doing. The sector has dealt with a pandemic; there has been uncertainty about the deposit return scheme, and investment has been needed in relation to that; and legislation on other matters has been rolled out, such as the ultra-low emission zone in Glasgow.

How difficult is it for the sector to forward plan? Given the changes in approach—the UK Government is providing a discount for hospitality—how are you positioned compared with similar organisations in other parts of the UK?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Sustainability of Scotland’s Finances

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

It will perhaps be lower over that period, but do you expect it to be higher going forward?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

That probably answers another question that I was going to ask. With regard to the £971,000 figure for the costs in period 1 of 2023-24—that is, for just one month—I think that the Deputy First Minister said in February that the figure for 2023-24 was likely to be no higher than £50 million. You therefore expect the figure to be considerably less than that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

That is a £50 million to £80 million liability, subject to discussion with HMRC.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

A lot of the correspondence between the committee and you, minister, has been on the lack of available data. You said that you will provide more information to the committee, but the information that was provided was fairly limited. Why was more information not provided, if it is available?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

It is down to evolution rather than devolution or anything else.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Jamie Halcro Johnston

What is the chance of that report being acted on fairly quickly?

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