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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

I will go back to my original question, on the funding of treatment for non-Covid-related conditions during the Covid recovery. We know from data that those most affected by Covid and those who had the worst outcomes had other health conditions such as obesity, type 2 diabetes or heart conditions.

We are looking ahead and discussing the preventative agenda, as we prepare for future pandemics. From talking to the OECD, we know that it is not only us doing that: all Governments are dealing with what is in front of them at the moment and it can be difficult to look further ahead. Given what we know about the impact that Covid had on people with other conditions, would it not be prudent to start looking at how we can tackle Scotland’s poor record on health? The cabinet secretary knows that I am very interested in that subject. Would it not be prudent to start looking at how we can tackle that poor health record as we look ahead to future pandemics?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

We agree on the outcomes that we want. Outcomes are important, but we currently have a poor report card for health compared to many countries in Europe. I was really exercised about this topic before Covid.

I agree that a lot of positive health outcomes will be tackled outwith the health service. Correct me if I am wrong—I am sure that you will—but I think that 44 per cent of our budget is now spent on health and there has been a reduction of 27 per cent in the local government budget. However, many of the interventions that are required to deal with the impacts of Covid will be dealt with by local government. How do you square that circle, cabinet secretary?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Monitoring Covid-19 Recovery

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

In relation to planning for the next pandemic, are you saying that we are being reactive and that Governments are looking at what is in front of them right now, rather than at what is coming down the line, so the whole preventative agenda has been parked? Do we need to try to lift our heads and look further down the track?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Monitoring Covid-19 Recovery

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

My last question on that subject is about the collection of data. Are we collecting the right data to be able to detail the impact of Covid not only on the population but on non-Covid-related conditions? Are we able to disaggregate the data to be able to plan ahead?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

I said that the percentages of the budget had moved.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Monitoring Covid-19 Recovery

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

Thank you.

09:45  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

I have heard that confidence before, cabinet secretary.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

Government is choices, is it not?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 19 January 2023

Brian Whittle

You have made them, and I am challenging you.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

Brian Whittle

Good morning, minister—it is nice to see you, and thanks for coming in. It is always good when one of our colleagues tells the minister what we are going to ask. [Interruption.] The good news is that I am not going to ask about data now—although my beliefs on data, especially healthcare data, are well known: we are very good at collecting data but not particularly good at deploying it, especially across sectors. We need to get better at that and we could get better at that.

I want to follow up the extremely important issue that Murdo Fraser raised, which we could probably spend the whole time talking about. During Covid, access to healthcare was restricted, which had a significant impact on elective surgery for chronic pain and on access to mental health services. It is reasonable to extrapolate from that that the economic inactivity rate would move in an upward direction. At a certain level, if a person’s pain is not treated, it becomes chronic pain, so more people must have moved in that direction.

I am always interested in the cross-portfolio impact of decisions. I go back to the reprioritisation of £65 million in primary care funding and £38 million in mental health funding. The minister said that, for every £1 that is spent, you get £5 back. Surely that indicates a false economy—taking money from one side of the ledger affects the other side of the ledger. Given the return on such investment, would it be prudent for the Government to revisit the position?