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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Jamie Greene
Surely the Government could have been doing that over the past 15 years.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Jamie Greene
That sounds helpful. I am not entirely convinced that there is good public awareness of the support that is currently available. As I have said, from chatting to my neighbours, I do not think that any of them would know where to go for support for insulation, for example, so there is a massive exercise to be undertaken there. However, the big, fundamental issue is that two million homes are still gas mains supplied. What are we asking them to do? Are we asking them switch off that gas supply? I am sure that the energy companies would have something to say about losing a million customers.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Jamie Greene
Can you say what the Government will do to support people in the scenario that I have outlined? I do not know the answer to that question.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Jamie Greene
Good morning, gentlemen. Thank you for your frank opening statement, Mr Jones—we do not often hear one of those in committees. However, having said that, I want to ask you the following. You have just repeated the phrase that you treat the Auditor General’s report as “balanced and accurate”. The report’s opening gambit is that
“The ongoing poor performance of the contract is resulting in delays and inefficiencies across the justice sector, impacting on policing, prison services and the courts.”
Is that a balanced and accurate description of your operating performance?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Jamie Greene
The contract said that you needed between 650 and 700 officers but, at the lowest point, you had only 510, so of course that will put pressure on your ability to deliver services. That is not anyone else’s fault but your own.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Jamie Greene
It sounds as if you have unfortunately found yourself in a perfect storm.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Jamie Greene
Of course, the obvious solution to that is to improve the package that you offer your staff. Retention would surely improve off the back of that, although that might come at a cost to your profit margin. Do you get the impression that you have bitten off more than you can chew with this contract here in Scotland?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Jamie Greene
I have the cold, but I will try to struggle through this.
I want to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. The Scottish Government estimates that it will cost £33 billion to deliver its heat in buildings strategy. We know from the Auditor General for Scotland’s report that around £1.8 billion of public funding has been committed, but I understand that £600 million of that is as yet unallocated and that around £0.5 billion of it is dedicated to supporting people who are in fuel poverty. That does not leave much for physical intervention. I guess that less than £1 billion of public money is going into physical intervention to move homes towards the strategy. My overarching question is: where will the other £32 billion come from?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Jamie Greene
Absolutely. The 2.5 million occupied homes account for 15 per cent of Scotland’s greenhouse gas emissions, using that phraseology. That is not the lion’s share of our emissions as a country, and it sounds to me that we are asking those with the least to do the most in this scenario and that legislation will force them to do so.
Let me give you a practical example because, out there in the real world, people want to know what all of this means for their household. My flat in Greenock is in a Victorian tenement with six flats, most of which are poorly insulated. None of them is double-glazed, and all of them run on gas boilers—to various extents of success, I should add. In that scenario, when the Government says, “Right, we’ve changed the law and you’re all going to have to move to some new green energy system, although we don’t know what it is yet,” the first question that all my neighbours will ask me is, “How much is that going to cost me, because I don’t have any money right now?”
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 March 2024
Jamie Greene
The average price of a property in the streets that I am talking about is about £35,000. You will crash the property market in that area if you suddenly require people to put in five £10,000 heating systems.