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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 January 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

What is your evidence?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Dr Sandy, forgive me for interrupting, but the question that I need evidence on is less about decriminalisation and specifically about criminalisation of the buyer. What is the evidence on the impact there?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful. Ruth Breslin, you take a different view of the Nordic model—the criminalisation of the buyer. We have just heard evidence that tends to a view that criminalisation of the buyer will not achieve the ends of the bill. You would take a different view.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Forgive me for interrupting, but I am conscious that I am monopolising the floor here. Given the context that you have set out, what happens if the bill criminalises the buyer?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

No. With respect, cabinet secretary, let me answer the question. HMP Kilmarnock was taken back into the public sector. By all means, cabinet secretary, correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that part of Serco’s offer was to open a new wing as part of HMP Kilmarnock, thus increasing capacity and potentially solving the overcrowding issue. The fact that HMP Kilmarnock was taken back into the public sector for what some might suggest are ideological reasons might have ruined that possibility.

Cabinet secretary, this is an ill-thought-through and risky response to a situation that we knew and have known for a long time would occur. I will not be voting for it, and I do not think that the committee should, either.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

It was all very helpful. I am very grateful to you all.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Good morning. I will direct my questions precisely, but catch my eye if you want to come in. I will come to Diane Martin first. The committee has received evidence that states that the criminalisation of those who buy sex would put sex workers at greater risk of violence and would not reduce demand for prostitution or reduce trafficking. Do you take a different view? If so, why?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Yes, convener. I am very grateful to all the witnesses.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Good morning. Niki Adams, I will come straight back to you. The committee has your evidence that the criminalisation of those who buy sex puts sex workers at greater risk of violence and does not reduce demand for prostitution or reduce trafficking. Panel 1 took a different view and talked about France, specifically, as an exemplar. Your evidence speaks to specific research in France that has a very different, negative take. Can you help the committee understand why there is a discrepancy on that point? Why is one panel of witnesses telling us that France is an exemplar, while you seem to be saying that it is not, and you conclude that criminalisation will not work?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful for that evidence.

I put a similar question to Laura Baillie. You also raise the subject of safety in your evidence, although your evidence says that criminalisation would mean that sex workers

“would be less able to screen potential clients”

and less able to get a deposit. You refer to an app that enables some form of screening.

The witnesses on panel 1 gave a different response to that—they seemed to suggest that screening and checking is not currently happening in practice. That is clearly different from what you say in your evidence. Can you help the committee to understand why there is that difference and tell us, in your view, what is actually happening on the ground?