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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Good morning, Mr Hebblethwaite. P&O accepts that UK employment law was not merely broken but fundamentally offended. You are paying out £36 million in settlements to make that acceptable to the employees. I presume that the settlements needed to include—per employee—notice, holidays, a settlement sum, an aggravation uplift and a 90-day collective consultation award. There must also be an up-front cost per month for the agency supply workers. What is the cost of the agencies? How long do your projections show that it will be before P&O breaks even on the settlement sums, agency fees, legal fees and management time, so that the decision makes commercial sense?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Finally, P&O accepts that UK employment law was broken such that hundreds of employees could potentially have prosecuted unfair dismissal claims. It is difficult to see how such claims could have been successfully defended. I have no doubt that in making your plans you were aware that the primary remedy for a successful unfair dismissal claim is reinstatement. What planning did you do for a situation in which a tribunal ordered the reinstatement of all those employees? Did you plan to comply with such an order or would that authority have been ignored as well? Had that situation come to pass, what loyalty would you have shown to the new agencies?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

I am grateful to the panel. Unless Gordon Nelson or Martyn Raine has anything particular to add, I will hand back to the convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

I have no further questions, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

I will just push you on that point, if you do not mind, Mr Hebblethwaite. Just for absolute clarity, you are telling the committee that there are no strategic plans, whether in draft or finalised, to do anything to the land-based staff at Cairnryan—is that correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Liam Kerr

That is a fair point.

My next point is also for you, Robbie, although Pam Ewen and Jane Tennant can come in if they wish to add something. It sounds as if demand for planners will be huge and, as you say, it will be vitally important. Are you aware of what impact local authority funding settlements from the Scottish Government have had on the number of places to train and get skills, and on local authorities’ ability to hire more planners? Do you have any sense yet of what this year’s settlement, which I think the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities said was a £100 million cut to local authority budgets, might have on the number of places to study and local authorities’ ability to hire the planners that they need?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Good morning. I will direct my first question to Chris Brodie. The number of green jobs in Scotland has been declining in recent years. Last week, in a response to a parliamentary question that I submitted, I saw that the Scottish Government is considering changing the definition of what constitutes a green job. Has Skills Development Scotland been involved in discussions and planning about that, given the impact on skills development that would presumably occur?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Thank you. I would be grateful if you could provide that information later.

Simon Hewitt, on the upskilling and reskilling that Chris Brodie has just talked about, the convener asked earlier on about the training that will be required. In a previous session of Parliament, I sat on the Public Audit and Post-legislative Scrutiny Committee and I seem to recall that the number of college places has been cut significantly in recent years by more than 150,000 places. I also recall reading in January, in one of the newspapers, that colleges were facing a £51.9 million cut in funding.

Simon Hewitt, does that landscape have an impact on our prospects of achieving net zero? If so, is there any sign of the Scottish Government recognising and addressing the need for greater funding and more college places?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Liam Kerr

I will ask one more question, if I may, convener. As I am joining you remotely, I am just going to do it.

Chris Brodie, something occurred to me as you were speaking. In an earlier response, you talked about there being a trebling of the workforce to achieve net zero. Is there a straight correlation here, such that a trebling of the workforce requires a trebling of the budget that is available for funding the sorts of courses that Simon Hewitt has just been talking about, or does it not work quite like that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Thank you. I have no further questions.