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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Mr Hebblethwaite, I understand that there are a number of land-based employees of P&O, many of whom are based at Cairnryan. Does P&O have any strategic plans, whether finalised or in draft, that would impact on those employees in some way? Obviously if they are to be restructured, transferred under the Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations, or dismissed, they will be legitimately concerned.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Thank you. Moving on, I will direct follow-up questions to Grant Tierney and the two Ians at the CITB.

In answer to the last question, Gordon Nelson talked about the need to develop a plan or a co-ordinated strategy. The Scottish Government and Skills Development Scotland published a climate emergency skills action plan in December 2020, which presumably aims to achieve what Gordon has rightly suggested that we need to achieve. That begs the question: what engagement have your organisations had with the action plan? Are any of you on the implementation group, for example? In your view, is the plan on track to ensure that the necessary skills are in place to support our transition to a net zero economy? If not, who needs to act and what needs to happen?

That is for Grant Tierney first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Thank you, Grant. That was an interesting answer. As a part of that, do you have any comment on the climate emergency skills action plan from December 2020? How has that impacted your organisation? Most importantly, is the plan on track, as far as you are aware?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful. I pose the same question to Ian Hill.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Good morning, Mr Hebblethwaite. P&O accepts that UK employment law was not merely broken but fundamentally offended. You are paying out £36 million in settlements to make that acceptable to the employees. I presume that the settlements needed to include—per employee—notice, holidays, a settlement sum, an aggravation uplift and a 90-day collective consultation award. There must also be an up-front cost per month for the agency supply workers. What is the cost of the agencies? How long do your projections show that it will be before P&O breaks even on the settlement sums, agency fees, legal fees and management time, so that the decision makes commercial sense?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Finally, P&O accepts that UK employment law was broken such that hundreds of employees could potentially have prosecuted unfair dismissal claims. It is difficult to see how such claims could have been successfully defended. I have no doubt that in making your plans you were aware that the primary remedy for a successful unfair dismissal claim is reinstatement. What planning did you do for a situation in which a tribunal ordered the reinstatement of all those employees? Did you plan to comply with such an order or would that authority have been ignored as well? Had that situation come to pass, what loyalty would you have shown to the new agencies?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

I am grateful to the panel. Unless Gordon Nelson or Martyn Raine has anything particular to add, I will hand back to the convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

I have no further questions, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

I will just push you on that point, if you do not mind, Mr Hebblethwaite. Just for absolute clarity, you are telling the committee that there are no strategic plans, whether in draft or finalised, to do anything to the land-based staff at Cairnryan—is that correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Liam Kerr

That is a fair point.

My next point is also for you, Robbie, although Pam Ewen and Jane Tennant can come in if they wish to add something. It sounds as if demand for planners will be huge and, as you say, it will be vitally important. Are you aware of what impact local authority funding settlements from the Scottish Government have had on the number of places to train and get skills, and on local authorities’ ability to hire more planners? Do you have any sense yet of what this year’s settlement, which I think the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities said was a £100 million cut to local authority budgets, might have on the number of places to study and local authorities’ ability to hire the planners that they need?