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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Energy Price Rises

Meeting date: 19 April 2022

Liam Kerr

I am grateful to all the witnesses.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

I have one final thing to raise, convener, if I may. It is something that my friend Monica Lennon brought up earlier that really troubles me. Mr Hebblethwaite, you accept that you wilfully, consciously, and knowingly broke the law. You offended against UK employment law, a law that Parliament felt to be so important that it attached a protective award to it to mandate compliance. Does that not trouble you, as a company director, and make you question whether you are truly a fit and proper person and are discharging fiduciary duties to your company if you are content simply to break one of the strongest laws that Parliament has put in place?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

On a point of clarification, I am not suggesting that you are being very generous.

It is interesting that a two-year payback period leads to the conclusion that you cannot carry out the consultation required by statute, but I will let others pick up that point.

I will move on to an issue that is interesting from the point of view of various parties. In 2019 and 2020, P&O registered losses of around £130 million, and the suggestion is that there will be a further £131 million loss in 2021, for which DP World has offered a facility of £100 million. That begs the question, how certain are you that P&O is good for the £36 million settlement and the agency fees? Have you given the agencies guarantees? They may feel that they are taking a financial risk by doing business with a company that you described earlier as “unviable” and that chooses to ignore the law of the land if a bit of money is thrown around.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

That seems to be a slightly different answer from the first one that you gave me, with respect. Will that document be published and made publicly available? I would have thought that the land-based employees would need to know the details.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Good morning. My first question is for Gordon Nelson and Martyn Raine. We have heard about the need to create around 22,000 jobs, and Gordon Nelson talked about the need to upskill the current workforce. In evidence to the committee, SDS described the current labour market as “hot”, by which I think that it meant that there is a high demand for labour and a shortage of labour due to things such as the pandemic. Are there already skills or labour shortages? If so, how are they impacting on your members and their operations as well as on the planning for the upskilling that you have talked about?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

That seems to me to be the crucial point, but it begs the question: if a clear plan is required to implement the climate emergency action plan, who will drive that? Who is the onus on to create the clear plan that it sounds as though you are all desperate for?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

That is very helpful. Does Ian Hughes have anything to add?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

That is not your only duty, is it, Mr Hebblethwaite? As a company director, you have fiduciary and legal duties. What I asked was whether you consider yourself to be a fit and proper person who is discharging not merely the duty that you just mentioned but the full raft of fiduciary duties for your company, given that you wilfully and knowingly took a decision to offend against one of the strongest laws that Parliament has put in place.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

I will ask part of that question again. Did you give them guarantees?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Liam Kerr

Yes, but have you not just said that you would have ignored any such order from a tribunal?