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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

I thank the minister and her officials for their evidence today. I now suspend the meeting for 30 minutes and the committee will then resume in order to take evidence from the member in charge of the bill.

10:16 Meeting suspended.  

10:45 On resuming—  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

I am sorry to interrupt—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

You are talking about extending.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

Good morning, and welcome to the ninth meeting in 2024 of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. I have received no apologies.

Today, the committee will take evidence from two panels on the Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill. The member in charge of the bill, Gillian Mackay, will not be participating in the committee’s scrutiny of it, by virtue of rule 9.13A.2(b) of standing orders. Instead, Ross Greer is attending in the member’s place as a committee substitute, by virtue of rule 12.2A.2. However, by virtue of rule 12.2.3(a), Gillian Mackay is attending today’s meeting as the member in charge of the bill and will also give evidence on the bill in the second panel session.

As part of the committee’s scrutiny of the bill, we held two informal engagement sessions to hear from individuals. We heard private testimony from women with negative experiences of being exposed to anti-abortion activity outside abortion services, and we also heard from women who have accessed abortion services and have subsequently taken part in pro-life vigils outside such services. I express our gratitude to those women for sharing their experiences with the committee, as well as those who gave formal evidence to the committee during our public sessions and those who responded to our call for views. Those testimonies have been fundamental to the committee’s scrutiny of the bill.

Our first evidence-taking session this morning is with the Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health. I therefore welcome to the meeting the minister Jenni Minto and, from the Scottish Government, Simon Cuthbert-Kerr, who is deputy director of public health capabilities; Johanna Irvine, who is a solicitor; and Ruth Wilson, who is a senior policy adviser.

I understand that the minister has a short opening statement.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

On the flipside of that, if it was found that a 200m exclusion zone was not required for a particular premises—I will use the Queen Elizabeth university hospital as an example, as I am familiar with that site—would you expect, anticipate or hope that the Government would move quickly to reduce the size of the buffer zone?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

I will reflect your language back to you. You spoke about the need to move quickly enough and in a timely manner in terms of expansion. Would you expect the Government to have a similar attitude to reducing a 200m zone?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

Could they?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

David Torrance has a question.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

Emma Harper has a supplementary question.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

I am keen to hear your views on whether the meaning of protected premises should be broadened. You spoke a bit about that in response to Sandesh Gulhane’s question about coverage, particularly in urban areas, where large parts of towns and cities might be covered by a buffer zone. Have you given some thought to what impact capturing more protected premises under the bill might have on the rights of anti-abortion protesters or vigil holders?