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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 October 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ivan McKee

That brings us nicely on to what I was going to ask about, which was exactly that: embracing radical change. What does that look like? You might want to give some examples. How does that embracing of radical change play out with councils working more closely together and with other public sector partners? Is it through shared services and back office functions and sharing premises? When I was in government, getting the Scottish Government to talk to local authorities about sharing space was, at times, an interesting challenge in both directions. Following on from that, what are the implications of that for the workforce?

Maybe you could start by talking about the radical ideas, about what is out there, what needs to happen, what can happen and how we move that forward.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ivan McKee

I might be naive, but I would have thought that the fact that local governments are short of money—we know that they are short of money because they never miss an opportunity to tell us that they are short of money—would be the burning platform that would persuade people to talk to their neighbour about how they can do things better. You are saying, however, that you see very little evidence of that on the ground.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ivan McKee

Yes. Realpolitik gets in the way, unfortunately—that is life.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Devolving Scotland

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ivan McKee

I am old enough to remember the politics of that period of reorganisation. I do not want to go into it too much, but it was perhaps done for reasons other than finding an optimal solution to local government boundaries. We might talk about that a wee bit more, so I do not want to jump too much into that space. There are tensions between what is done at a macro level, what is done at a micro level and what is a postcode lottery versus local control and how to navigate that.

There is a big question about whether people look at the situation and think, “Maybe it’s not the right answer but, frankly, the amount of work and cost involved in restructuring is potentially a bit scary,” so they back off. There is a question about how much can be done within the existing structure, but I think that we will pick that up later, so I will stop there, convener.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Government in Scotland: Overview 2023

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Ivan McKee

Is there a role for the Scottish Government not to mandate but to guide, direct and help to share the best examples of that in order to indicate the art of the possible?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ivan McKee

How many people are there in Scotland or across the UK who are qualified to do this work? Can you answer that question?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ivan McKee

Without that information, you will not be able to work out how long this is going to take.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ivan McKee

There are a couple of areas that I will question you on, minister. The first is skills. Have you done any thinking about or assessment of what the requirements might be? That applies to the skills that are needed to do assessments as well as the skills to carry out the remedial work as and when.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ivan McKee

Just to be clear, my understanding of what you are saying is that you have not done any number crunching, so we could go through the process of getting the accord signed and putting out the procurement for the assessments but then find that everything slows right down, because there is not the capacity to deal with what is required. Have you actually crunched the numbers to figure out what they look like and how long the process will take as a consequence?

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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Ivan McKee

My other question is about costs. We have talked about orphan buildings and the cost for those coming back to the public purse at some point. Has there been any estimation or assessment of that? Is there a process to work out what that cost might be?