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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 January 2026
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

You have given us lots to consider and to probe further. I hand over to Murdo Fraser.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I thank you all. That will be helpful when it comes to our further questions.

I have another generic question. Obviously, the realisation of human rights, sustainability and the wellbeing of people in different groups in our current society and future generations falls to the responsibility of ministers. As MSPs—parliamentarians—we consider those issues as part of our casework, our daily deliberations and how we hold the Government to account. Other public bodies, whether they are funded by the Scottish Government or the SPCB, are focused on human rights, value for money and delivery. Could you elaborate further on why you think that your proposals are necessary, given what is already in place?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I am conscious of time, colleagues. If there is anything that you really want to tell us but have not had the chance to say yet, please let us know.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you very much, Mr Balfour. I am sure that we will come on to our witnesses’ various areas of interest—in your case, the interests of disabled people and the operation of the current SPCB supported bodies.

You have just touched on issues that are experienced by older people, including pensioners, which helpfully segues into the area that Colin Smyth’s proposal covers. Will you answer my question, Colin, please?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you. I am sure that we will get into some of the points that you have raised when colleagues ask their questions.

Colin Smyth, do you want to add anything, or have colleagues covered that area?

10:45  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I have a brief supplementary question on that. I appreciate the importance of the points that Sarah Boyack makes. We have heard from the Scottish Human Rights Commission, which has published documentation in recent months, about its concerns about the delivery of policy. We have heard from the Auditor General this morning about how Audit Scotland monitors financial spend, as does the Accounts Commission for local authorities. The SPSO has a role in implementation. I do not discount the points that you have made, which are the reality of the situation. However, as things stand, is it not the responsibility of all the bodies that we have to question and improve scrutiny of implementation?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Please be very quick.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Those were good and important points to finish on.

Colleagues—thank you very much for your time this morning, for helping us to understand the merits of your proposals and for your comments on and insights into the wider questions that we are considering in the review. I am really grateful for your coming and answering our questions.

That concludes the public part of our meeting. As was previously agreed, we will move into private session.

11:30 Meeting continued in private until 11:40.  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is excellent. Thank you for your time this morning. I suspend the meeting for a changeover of witnesses.

10:21 Meeting suspended.  

10:29 On resuming—  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Welcome back. I am pleased to welcome to the meeting our colleagues Jeremy Balfour, Colin Smyth and Sarah Boyack, and Roz Thomson, who is head of the Scottish Parliament’s non-Government bills unit. Thank you for being with us.

Before I invite other members to ask questions, I will put some generic ones to you all. What do you consider to be the benefit of an SPCB supported commissioner? In your proposals, why have you opted for such a model over other options, such as a Government-supported body, which could also demonstrate independence from Government?

I saw Jeremy Balfour nodding, so I will go to him first.

10:30