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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 January 2026
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Under agenda item 2, the committee will take evidence from academics and researchers. I am pleased to welcome Dr Ian Elliott, senior lecturer in public administration at the University of Glasgow; Dr Matthew Gill, programme director at the Institute for Government; Dr Ruth Lamont, reader in child and family law at the University of Manchester, and UK Research and Innovation thematic research lead at the United Kingdom Parliament; and Alison Payne, research director at Reform Scotland. I am grateful to you all for your written submissions.

We move directly to questions, and the first one is quite wide and generic. Would you like to relay or emphasise anything about what the purposes of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body-supported bodies and commissioners are or should be? Perhaps Dr Elliott could start.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you, all, for those final points, which were very interesting. In the coming weeks, we will speak to others about international examples of how things are done similarly and differently. There are considerations about what the next parliamentary session will look like and how the Parliament could scrutinise things. There are also considerations about whether there should be commitments in 2026 party-political manifestos. We will have representatives of the Government before us in the weeks ahead, and we will be able to ask them about the wider landscape that we have spoken about.

Thank you for those concluding remarks and for what you have relayed to us today in answering our questions and sharing your insights and views. The discussion has been extremely helpful for us, and we are grateful for your time today and in submitting the written material.

That concludes the public part of today’s meeting. As agreed earlier, we now move into private session.

11:27 Meeting continued in private until 11:40.  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I will bring in Lorna Slater in a second, but I have a question for Dr Gill or the other witnesses that follows up on that point. Do you have any thoughts on whether there should be sunset clauses? For example, should there be a review after five years of whether the body is performing its functions and is still needed? Should there be a periodic evaluation?

In our previous evidence sessions, the possibility has been raised not just of holding more frequent scrutiny sessions with parliamentary committees and creating the capacity for that, as Alison Payne rightly touched on, but of whether there would be a benefit in having a new committee dedicated to the scrutiny of SPCB bodies—or whether there are other models that we should explore.

Lorna, do you want to add a supplementary question to that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I suggested a piece of legislation because many of the commissioners have been created out of primary legislation.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

As there are no further comments on those matters, I will bring in Richard Leonard.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I will ask a question before I move on to Ash Regan. You talked about a definition, and there were good questions from colleagues about how the landscape could be made simpler and easier to understand and how it could be better structured. Is there a possibility that we need a consolidation act to bring this all together, to reform it, and to strategise so that it is all more coherent? I am aware that, particularly with reserved legislation in years past, consolidation acts have helped to tidy the landscape. Is there a need for that here in Scotland? That is quite a broad question.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Okay. Do any of the witnesses have thoughts on my question? Let us perhaps start with Dr Gill.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I am thinking particularly about the fact that the bill was amended at stage 2 just last week. I am conscious that I sit on the Criminal Justice Committee, too, and that our job today is to talk broadly and not about one proposition, but that was interesting and helpful, and I thought that it was important to give that wider context. If you were able to follow up on anything, I am sure that Parliament would be interested in that ahead of stage 3. We are also interested in what you have said today with regard to the remit and task that this committee is undertaking, so thank you very much.

Lorna Slater has a follow-up question on what we have just discussed.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you—that was helpful and was good context for the rest of our discussion.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Those are very interesting and helpful points. The question of how MSPs’ time and resources are utilised is broad and has been touched on by the committee. Dr Gill, did you want to come in?