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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

It sounds as though, rather than struggling to be able to deliver it, you would not be able to do so.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you very much, all of you. That was really helpful for our evidence taking.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

I have two questions to follow up on some of the points that have been raised by colleagues. First, it is important to note that the points that Sharon Dowey raised about police officer time also apply to expert witness time. It is important for us to keep in mind that other initiatives are on-going to have the Crown and the defence agree more evidence in advance to reduce the necessity for police officers and other witnesses to attend court.

I see nodding heads, so I presume that that is taken as read, but it is important to acknowledge that for our wider consideration and for the record.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is helpful. It is important to acknowledge the wider context and the work that is on-going there.

We have seen the success of the pilot, and there seems to be consensus among the witnesses that the pilot has been positive and has had good outcomes, and that good progress is being made.

In relation to the bill that is in front of us, my colleague Liam Kerr emphasised the issue of finance, and Mr Graham and Superintendent Thomas made some points about practicalities. As well as finance and resourcing, I think that we need to think about time. It would be helpful for the committee to know, now or as a follow-up, whether you think that the commencement provisions in section 28 of the bill are appropriate. I asked last week’s witnesses the same question. If you do not think that they are appropriate, what, in your view, would be a realistic commencement date that would enable all parties involved to ensure that they had worked through the practicalities, created the infrastructure and appropriately organised the facilities so that the bill could be implemented in the right way?

10:45  

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

Is there anything else that Richard Thomas or Emma Forbes would like to add?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is helpful. It is important to acknowledge the wider context and the work that is on-going there.

We have seen the success of the pilot, and there seems to be consensus among the witnesses that the pilot has been positive and has had good outcomes, and that good progress is being made.

In relation to the bill that is in front of us, my colleague Liam Kerr emphasised the issue of finance, and Mr Graham and Superintendent Thomas made some points about practicalities. As well as finance and resourcing, I think that we need to think about time. It would be helpful for the committee to know, now or as a follow-up, whether you think that the commencement provisions in section 28 of the bill are appropriate. I asked last week’s witnesses the same question. If you do not think that they are appropriate, what, in your view, would be a realistic commencement date that would enable all parties involved to ensure that they had worked through the practicalities, created the infrastructure and appropriately organised the facilities so that the bill could be implemented in the right way?

10:45  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 23 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the first meeting in 2025 of the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee. I have received no apologies for today’s meeting.

Agenda item 1 is a declaration of interests. I welcome Richard Leonard MSP to his first meeting of the committee and invite him to declare any relevant interests.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 23 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you, Richard.

As was previously agreed by the committee, we will move into private session to discuss our work programme.

09:30 Meeting continued in private until 10:49.  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

I empathise with what has been said so far and the witnesses make compelling points. I want to return to some of the points that came up in answer to my colleagues’ questions, and to the points that the previous witnesses made about practicalities.

Do you have views on what facilities should be available for people to give evidence in? Where should those be? Does there have to be agreement with local authorities? For some people, giving evidence will need to be facilitated by the Crown, but do you see people giving evidence from their homes? Presumably not, from what you have said so far. It would be good for us to hear your thoughts on the practicalities, particularly given what we heard from the previous witnesses.

11:45  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

So, in such a situation, although the use of a photo would be appropriate in proceedings, you would want the original to be kept available until the conclusion of the trial.