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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 January 2026
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Operationally, and in many other ways, Bridgeside house seemed to be working effectively when we visited. I hope that I gave that impression.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you. Colleagues will have further questions, but I would just say that, as we have looked into this more deeply, the challenge for us has been that, although we see really rational reasons for the Ethical Standards Commissioner, for example, to be funded by the SPCB rather than the Government, the reasons are less clear in the case of, say, the Patient Safety Commissioner for Scotland and the proposed victims and witnesses commissioner for Scotland. In recent weeks, the Scottish Fiscal Commission has given evidence to the committee; it is very much seen by the Parliament and in the public domain as being independent from Government, but it is nevertheless funded by the Government. It has been an interesting and important discussion for our work, and I thank you for the points that you have made.

Jackson Carlaw, did you want to come in?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

That was really helpful, and it leads on to next area of questioning.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

That was very helpful. Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Before we move on, to follow up on what has been said, it would be good if the witnesses could say a little more about how the SPCB shares information with committees to support the governance and scrutiny of office-holders, whether through the Conveners Group or otherwise. Do you have any thoughts on how that could be improved, for instance in cases in which there are concerns about performance, how the body is run or its effectiveness?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Mr Campbell talked about clerks speaking to one another regularly. In my experience—I envisage that this is other members’ experience, too—although correspondence is necessary, appreciated and beneficial, it is only when information is put on the record through, for example, a letter to a committee, that it can be scrutinised by the Parliament in the fullest sense. That is something for all of us to bear in mind.

We will now have a brief suspension. We will reconvene at half past 10.

10:27 Meeting suspended.  

10:30 On resuming—  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you for your time, help and input to our task. This has been a really helpful discussion. That concludes the public part of today’s meeting and, as previously agreed, we will now move into private session.

11:09 Meeting continued in private until 11:30.  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Okay, thanks very much. I move on to the financial accountability of office-holders. The Scottish Information Commissioner described himself as being “financially hamstrung” and frustrated by the current funding model, whereby there is no scope for carrying forward funding and any underspends are lost. Does the SPCB recognise the challenges that he has referred to? What might be done to address that situation? Have any other bodies made similar points about the funding model or expressed such frustrations?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

I appreciate that it is a wider challenge in the fiscal framework and generally for Government, too. You can understand why it would be operationally frustrating. Can any improvement be considered?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Ben Macpherson

Do you want to ask your next question?