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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 September 2025
Ben Macpherson
There is also the difference that preventative spend can make through savings in the criminal justice system more widely.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 September 2025
Ben Macpherson
Good morning, panel members. Thanks for your evidence so far. I want to go back to areas of questioning that were put earlier. Haydn Pasi has talked compellingly about the need to have good use of time in the prison estate, and there has been a lot of discussion across the panel about how people are supported in the community when they are released from custody.
Another element that feels worth emphasising, and I would be interested in your reflections on it, is that, although people’s time needs to be filled and used effectively towards recovery and wellbeing in custody and on release, there are actors in the community and in the estate who are looking to fill that time differently for their own interests—I am talking about organised crime, in particular—to get people addicted or into debt, or to keep them on that pathway if they already are in that situation. However, we have not heard any reflections on that challenge today, and I wonder whether you want to add anything on that point.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 September 2025
Ben Macpherson
Thank you.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 September 2025
Ben Macpherson
I was interested to hear the reflections about the importance of the third sector, and I note what was said about the appropriateness of having differentiated services available for different places. The discussion about the importance of the third sector highlighted the point that, in creating joined-upness—I think that that was the phrase that was used—resourcing and sustainability of funding are perhaps issues. We are committed, across the Parliament, to a preventative approach to numerous issues, including when it comes to reducing offending and reoffending. How impactful could an additional allocation of resource on a sustainable basis be for the third sector in facing the challenges that we are considering today? Haydn Pasi and Hamish Robertson have talked about that in particular.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Ben Macpherson
First, I reiterate what the convener said about how we all want to tackle domestic abuse in the communities that we represent and in our country as a whole. I commend you for undertaking work to try to improve the situation.
Of course, as a committee, our job is to scrutinise the proposed legislation and its potential impact. I am aware that you said in your opening remarks that your consideration of the bill began in 2022, soon after the 2021 election, and the bill was introduced in late 2024. Is that correct?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Ben Macpherson
There was no formal meeting.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Ben Macpherson
Thank you. I have one final question. You spoke earlier about how you and your team have progressed the preparation of the bill, including the drafting, the evidence and the research. If the bill were to proceed to stage 2, would you be looking to engage with the Government to utilise its facilities for legal drafting, to get advice on competence, and on all the other points that would need to be satisfied in order to produce an implementable and appropriate piece of legislation?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Ben Macpherson
Yes; early this year. Thank you for correcting me.
There is quite a long time between 2022 and 2025, and that surprises me, if I am honest. I appreciate that a consultation has been done, but how much engagement did you have with the Scottish Government on the issues?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Ben Macpherson
Have you engaged with the Scottish Government?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Ben Macpherson
The reason I ask is that the bill was talked about in that period from 2022 until its publication in 2025. However, during that time, for example, the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill was published and is now at stage 3. It surprises me that your bill was significantly discussed in the public domain and in the media before the proposals had been established. In your discussion of the bill in the parliamentary arena, the media and other public ways, there were many references to a domestic abuse register, but that is not referred to in the bill. If you want effective practical change in the legal system, I am surprised that you have not engaged with the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill and that you have not looked at the part of the Education (Scotland) Bill that is about education as a possible vehicle for change. That would seem like a more practicable way to change the law, rather than spending four years talking about a member’s bill before its publication. It perplexes me that you did not do that.