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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Ben Macpherson
Thank you for your time and for the evidence that you have given, as well as for speaking so powerfully in the media yesterday and this morning at our committee. For a number of reasons, and because of a number of factors—including Covid, the success of Police Scotland and its investigations, and what has happened through the court process—it is clear that we collectively face an unprecedented set of circumstances in our prisons.
At the end of this process, we will write a report with recommendations. I would like to ask about a few specific areas where you think actions could make a difference and what those actions might be. I will ask a generic question first. What would make the difference for you and your members in dealing with these unprecedented circumstances in a way that is less pressurised and less challenging and that allows the rehabilitation that we all want to see more of? Is it more estate or more staff? Neither of those things is easy to deliver quickly. What do solutions look like for you?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Ben Macpherson
I appreciate that it is not simple.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Ben Macpherson
I have a question that was provoked by something that Dr Victoria Marland said earlier, but it also relates to things that other witnesses have said. You talked about the success of the photocopying initiative and you said that, because of its impact, there is now a trend of synthetic substances coming into prisons in powder form. Whether it would be appropriate to answer now or to follow up privately, it would be good to have an understanding of how that is happening. Is it through drone deliveries or other ways? How are substances in powder form entering the prison estate? If you would prefer to follow up by email, we will totally understand.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Ben Macpherson
I appreciate that that makes the situation even more challenging because of the impact of just a small amount of synthetic substance. Thanks for relaying that.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Ben Macpherson
Thank you for putting that so succinctly.
Briefly, on solutions in that same space, are there things that we could do or things that we could change that would help to make a difference? I absolutely appreciate that the vast majority of prison staff are, to use your word, incorruptible, but, to build on what my colleagues have already asked, could more be done to address the very small minority who are vulnerable to corruption?
10:15Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Ben Macpherson
So, the process is not robust enough right now.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Ben Macpherson
That should be done in the early stages, when they feel vulnerable. Again, overcrowding is a key factor.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Ben Macpherson
Do you feel that all of that could be more robust than it is right now?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Ben Macpherson
Thank you.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 3 September 2025
Ben Macpherson
I was just reflecting on the fact that there are actors who are trying to pull people into addiction at the same time that services are trying to fill their time with other activities, including rehabilitation. That is important for us to consider.