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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 March 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Daniel Johnson

We move to agenda item 3. As I said, we have representatives of Consumer Scotland with us this morning as part of our pre-budget scrutiny. I believe that Mr Wilson would like to make a brief introductory statement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Daniel Johnson

Thank you very much. I will start with some opening questions before I bring in other members.

Why has your annual report, which you touched on, not been published yet? It is very difficult for us to carry out pre-budget scrutiny if we do not have an annual report in front of us.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Daniel Johnson

However, you understand that that makes it very difficult for us to carry out our scrutiny.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Daniel Johnson

How many unique visitors to your website does that equate to?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Daniel Johnson

No—that sounds like the number of views. It does not matter.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Daniel Johnson

In the previous year’s annual report, 18,767 views translated to 3,786 unique users. Maybe you could come back to us with that figure, but it is not important.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Daniel Johnson

Before I bring in our deputy convener, Murdo Fraser has a supplementary question.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Daniel Johnson

I will come on to those points about engagement. From your response, it sounds as though you are measuring your influence on other parts of the public sector as an outcome, but are not measuring benefits to consumers. I think that most people would describe the former as an output rather than an outcome. In your opening statement, you described your objective as creating benefits to consumers in Scotland, but nothing in your answer really describes such benefits, unless I am missing something.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Daniel Johnson

Do you understand that, in terms of presentation, that is an issue for us? If we hear the chair of a board providing answers of a detailed operational nature, at least it is incumbent on us to ask whether there is an appropriate separation. This is not the first time that I have made that observation.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Consumer Scotland

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Daniel Johnson

Okay, so you have increased that proportion of your budget.

It strikes me that an awful lot of your answers have relied upon the work that you fund those organisations to do, as well as your investigations. However, you are still spending a substantial amount of money internally. Critically, of the money that is spent internally, only the money for two full-time equivalent posts is being spent on those investigations. Do you think that that balance of expenditure reflects the focus on outcomes that, overall, this committee is asking you to demonstrate?