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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 March 2026
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Yes. It is certainly not nonsense to raise concerns about patient pathways. In any clinical circumstances, a patient journey and the degree to which it is patient-centred is of critical salience. We live in a world in which healthcare settings are very complex, terminology is used that people do not necessarily understand or are not familiar with, and there are considerations and circumstances that people are not used to. Healthcare is often disempowering to the patient. Therefore, making sure that those settings are such that people are comfortable is important.

Another thing that very often happens in a healthcare setting is that people’s decisions are, naturally, influenced by the broader assumptions within such settings. I do not dismiss that for a moment. If the member is asking me whether there is speculation, my answer is, yes, there is. That is absolutely what stage 2 is about. It is about exploring such speculations.

I recognise the complexity of allowing opt-outs and that patients might need to move. I see that Sandesh Gulhane is forming words, but I would like to make a little progress. I did not intend to speak for so long on this group. I am just asking us to contemplate. It is not that I dismiss those things, but I ask those people who are asking about movement causing disruption or distress whether the reverse is also possibly true. Given the very intimate setting of a hospice, introducing someone into that environment with a set of assumptions in favour of assisted dying may well cause disruption or distress for the other cohort of people. I do not think that the issue is binary, but I ask the committee to consider that.

Amendments 74, 80, 81 and 82 were also drafted in conjunction with the Royal College of Psychiatrists. I promise that I will not speak to those at such great length as I have spoken to the previous amendments.

Amendment 80 would create a register of psychiatrists to undertake capacity assessments. The key point of amendment 74, if it is not pre-empted by amendment 159, is that such assessments should be drawn by practitioners from a central register. Amendment 81 would ensure that the register of psychiatrists was not just a list but would be used to improve learning and general clinical practice. It would enable data collection on assessments that were carried out under the bill to be used for oversight. Amendment 82 is a consequential amendment.

Throughout our deliberations, there has been a concern about making assessments of capacity. The psychiatric profession in particular is taking a keen interest in that. When it comes to people with associated mental health conditions—particularly. in later life, dementia—getting input and a detailed understanding from the psychiatric profession is very important.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Yes, the culture of announcements and the use of RAG status in the public sector could themselves be the subject of a whole inquiry. We will not go down that route. I will bring in Sarah Boyack.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

If it is brief.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Do not tempt us, Mr Kerr. I bring in Gordon MacDonald.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Thank you. There are some supplementary questions, first from Murdo Fraser and then from Kevin Stewart.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

I believe that Michelle would like to ask a brief supplementary.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Thank you very much. I thank the panel for their very interesting and wide-ranging contributions. We have discussed everything from the possibilities for business through to the public sector, requirements for skills, and ethics.

I will just share one closing anecdote. As we have been talking, I have been using AI to follow up on some of the topics, including the point around ISO. I used Gemini to give me an explainer on what ISO 4200 was and was profoundly confused to get a summary about steel tube manufacturing, because it is 42000 that I should have asked about. That just goes to show that the old adage is true: if you put garbage in, you get garbage out. That is a perennial truth when using technology.

I thank the panel for their contribution. It has been incredibly useful, and not just for this work. We have the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill going through Parliament, and some of the contributions on skills have been very informative for that.

With that, I bring the public part of the meeting to a close.

11:54 Meeting continued in private until 12:12.  

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

I think that it might have interrupted our parliamentary voting.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Yes.

10:15  

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

I thought that you were going to express your relief that you are no longer a practising solicitor, given the insight that they are all out of a job. [Laughter.]