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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Daniel Johnson

I also welcome our witnesses. Just to give you fair warning, given that there are a lot of us on the committee and a lot of you on the panel, whoever flinches first is who I will direct my question to, so I will be watching very intently how you react.

In broad terms, we are interested in how city region deals work in the broader policy context, how they have been constructed, how they are overseen and what effect they have. Given that you represent some of the more recent deals, I begin by asking you all to what degree you have benefited from the experience of the previous growth deals, and how that informed the way that your deal was constructed and put together. Anne Murray, you were nodding, so I am afraid I come to you first.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Daniel Johnson

I am quite interested in that. You mentioned benefits realisation and the PMO, which relate to the organisation of and mechanisms for the growth deals themselves. Is that primarily where the benefits were focused? I am also interested in how projects were identified and put together and how they fit together overall. Were the methodologies and processes for identifying projects shared?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Daniel Johnson

I just threw that question out there.

Malcolm Bennie, you are looking at me attentively, so I have a similar question for you. What benefit did you receive from previous growth deals as you framed, constructed and set up your deal?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Daniel Johnson

That is a useful set of insights. I get a sense of slight frustration, which is very helpful.

I want to ask a brief additional question, although it might lead to an expansive answer. Although all the growth deals can identify many good projects, one concern is about how those projects align, both within growth deals and, more particularly, between growth deals. Is there a danger that although we have policies that might work for a particular area, they might not all join up? Is the whole greater than the sum of the parts? Are there wider strategies at play? Do your deals play nicely with neighbouring deals, or should that be looked at as we move forward?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Daniel Johnson

That is from the external perspective, but do you think that that works? That is about things stopping you doing things. Do you have projects in mind that are mutually reinforcing?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Daniel Johnson

You can judge whether this is an unfair question. Did the previous growth deals make any observations about things to avoid or things that they wished they had known when they were embarking on their deals?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Daniel Johnson

Can you elaborate on that and give some examples of the sort of bureaucracy that you had to go through? What was the source? Did it come from the UK Government or the Scottish Government? I understand your point about volume, but did it make sense or was it a frustration?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Daniel Johnson

That is a really useful elaboration of the difference.

I will put the question to colleagues from Glasgow in a slightly different way. In many ways, Glasgow is much further forward on the journey to having a coherent approach to regional governance, with the Glasgow city region. Do you consider lessons that have been learned from the city region? Is exploring that critical to delivering on the opportunities? I direct those questions primarily to Owen O’Donnell, because I think that some of the fears, as it were, about such an approach come from smaller authorities, so I am particularly interested in hearing his views.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Daniel Johnson

Thank you. Convener, I think that we are running out of time, so I will leave it there.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Daniel Johnson

I am going to put a different spin on it for our colleagues from Glasgow.