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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 March 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

I suspend the meeting for 10 minutes; I ask members to be back for 10 past 11, please.

10:58 Meeting suspended.  

11:10 On resuming—  

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

To help us steer through that, I have a few questions. Both of you engage with technology and run technology-based companies. As you think about AI and what that means for how you go about your day-to-day work, how does it shape how you organise around a problem, how you organise your businesses and how you seek to arrange things to meet your customers’ and your clients’ demands? I think that we all probably have a very 20th century model in our heads about what a business looks like—there is a chief executive and he or she has four to six vice-presidents or whatever the latest job title is, and they all have a column of people who report to them, and there might be some horizontals. To my mind, that goes, because that is throwing people at an information problem. When you think about your business, how should we be thinking about organising and organisations? What should those principles be if AI is in the mix?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Likewise, Leo Fakhrul, if you were to explain a 21st century company that embeds AI, what would you say were its organising principles? It is not about functional silos based around information, because the AI will do that for you. What do you think the organising principles are for an AI-based company?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Fantastic. We have definitely run out of time, although we have certainly not run out of questions. I thank both our panels for validating my degree choice, given that I am a philosophy graduate. With that, I thank you both for your time this morning. It has been extremely useful. We have a lot to think about and I am now worried about how we will pull this together in a single report. We might have to use some AI ourselves to do that. Thank you so much. I draw the public session to a close.

12:22 Meeting continued in private until 12:34.  

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

I thank the minister for that answer about the economic value. Are there any practical or other considerations?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Terrific. I would like to bring in Willie Coffey.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

We move now to agenda item 3, which is hearing evidence on cross-border public procurement regulations. I invite the minister to make a short opening statement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Under agenda item 5 we will continue our evidence sessions on artificial intelligence. We are pleased to have two panels this morning, the first of which consists of Dex Hunter-Torricke, strategic communications adviser and former head of communications at SpaceX and current head of executive communications at Facebook, and Kayla-Megan Burns, tech founder and board member at the Royal Scottish National Orchestra, both of whom are attending online.

I would like to begin by asking you both whether you think we are getting it right with regard to how we understand artificial intelligence and the skills that we seek to instil in young people and the wider population. Much of the discussion is about losing jobs and workers being displaced, but I slightly shudder when my daughters come home from school telling me that they are being told that they must not use any AI whatsoever.

My sense is that we should be thinking about what we can use AI for. What are the right questions and the right ways to use it? How we can use AI to maximise our skills and knowledge and the expertise of the wider workforce? What should we be doing to give people the right skills to maximise the use of AI? Dex Hunter-Torricke, I noticed you nodding. Can I bring you in on that question?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Good. We will be interested in exploring the number of strands that you have laid out.

Kayla-Megan Burns, I am mindful that my deputy convener, Michelle Thomson, would like to talk more in depth about the arts, but can I ask you a similar question on skills? From an artistic point of view, what sorts of skills should we be thinking about? Are there as many possibilities as there are risks when you are considering the arts more generally?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

I have a question for the minister. For clarity, does the instrument mean that Iraqi firms need to be given equal consideration when bidding for public work, and vice versa for Scottish firms in Iraq? In practical terms, looking at the balance of trade and the industrial and economic base of both countries, are there likely to be Iraqi firms that bid? Has there been any analysis of that?

Likewise, what might the opportunities be for Scottish firms to bid for public contracts in Iraq?