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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

I have one final question. Steve Aitken, you said something quite interesting about trust. The reason why it is particularly interesting to me is that it aligned with something that I encountered recently. It also relates to things that Leo Fakhrul was saying.

I was in Singapore, and I met Enterprise Singapore there. It is always interesting, and I like looking at different Governments and their policies and their agencies. However, all too often they come up with the same stuff, and, as sure as eggs is eggs, there were a lot of things that I recognised. The people I met name-checked life sciences, they name-checked space and they name-checked AI. Those are all their growth sectors. So far, so good—you could replicate those anywhere else and, indeed, they were slightly surprised that Scotland was focusing on the same things, too; they had not realised it. What was interesting was that one of their domains for growth was the trust economy, and that replaced two things: financial services and what we would probably normally put as tech. I thought that that was quite interesting, because it was identifying something that is more essential. Rather than how you are doing things, it is what the underlying point is.

You are right. I think that there are some elements there about Scotland and trust. What are the things that you think make Scotland a place that can focus on trust and how could we build a trust economy in Scotland? What might that look like if we wanted to outcompete Singapore on that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

As members have no questions, we will move on to agenda item 4, which is formal consideration of the SSI. I remind members that only members and the minister may take part in this section. I invite the minister to speak to and move motion S6M-19428.

Motion moved,

That the Economy and Fair Work Committee recommends that the Cross-Border Public Procurement (Miscellaneous Amendment) (Scotland) Regulations 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Ivan McKee]

Motion agreed to.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

I thank the minister for that answer about the economic value. Are there any practical or other considerations?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

A short report will be prepared and published, and I invite the committee to delegate report clearance to me as convener. Is that acceptable to the committee?

Members indicated agreement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

I suspend the committee briefly in order to change witnesses.

09:12 Meeting suspended.  

09:14 On resuming—  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

I will hand over to Murdo Fraser.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Welcome back for our second panel of witnesses for our short inquiry into artificial intelligence. I am very pleased that we are joined by Steve Aitken, the founder of Intelligent Plant Ltd, and Leo Fakhrul, chief executive officer of XYNQ and Mamba Sounds. Unfortunately, Rich Wilson is not with us. I note on the record that he had a small accident this morning. I am sure that all members of the committee join me in wishing him a speedy recovery.

We have just over an hour, so I would appreciate concise questions and, if possible—although this is an expansive topic—concise responses. I will hand over straight away to my deputy convener, Michelle Thomson.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

Thank you. The deputy convener would like to ask a brief supplementary.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

I suspend the meeting for 10 minutes; I ask members to be back for 10 past 11, please.

10:58 Meeting suspended.  

11:10 On resuming—  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Daniel Johnson

To help us steer through that, I have a few questions. Both of you engage with technology and run technology-based companies. As you think about AI and what that means for how you go about your day-to-day work, how does it shape how you organise around a problem, how you organise your businesses and how you seek to arrange things to meet your customers’ and your clients’ demands? I think that we all probably have a very 20th century model in our heads about what a business looks like—there is a chief executive and he or she has four to six vice-presidents or whatever the latest job title is, and they all have a column of people who report to them, and there might be some horizontals. To my mind, that goes, because that is throwing people at an information problem. When you think about your business, how should we be thinking about organising and organisations? What should those principles be if AI is in the mix?