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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 March 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Good morning, and welcome to the first meeting in 2026 of the Economy and Fair Work Committee. I wish everyone a happy new year. I believe that we are still in time to be doing such things.

This morning we start our evidence sessions on the draft climate change plan that the Scottish Government has published. Before we begin, I note that Kevin Stewart and Michelle Thomson from the committee are joining us online; Richard Woolley, who is one of our witnesses, is also appearing remotely.

We are joined by a panel of witnesses comprising: Professor Paul de Leeuw, director, Robert Gordon University Energy Transition Institute; Stacey Dingwall, head of policy and external affairs for Scotland, Federation of Small Businesses; David Thomson, chief executive, Food and Drink Federation Scotland; Professor Karen Turner, director, centre for energy policy, University of Strathclyde; and Richard Woolley, head of energy and climate change, Chemical Industries Association. I should note that Professor Turner is also joining us online.

Given the number of witnesses, I ask that in the first instance members direct questions to a particular member of the panel, but if other witnesses want to come in they should please try to catch our eye or indicate online.

I will open the questioning. When I think about the debate surrounding the previous climate change plan, I recall that there was considerable criticism that it was heavy on high-level targets and light on detailed implementation. That risked there being a lack of clarity on how things were meant to proceed. If we look at the figures on carbon reduction categorised by industry, we can see that there has been a 57 per cent reduction since 1990. However, that has been driven not by carbon initiatives but by deindustrialisation. Does the current draft plan represent a step forward in providing such detail, or are we risking further deindustrialisation in Scotland?

Given his broad expertise, I will bring in Professor Paul de Leeuw to open up the responses and to provide his observations.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Stephen Kerr would also like to ask a supplementary.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

It is interesting that France has the lowest electricity costs in Europe, as I understand it. I believe that Karen Turner would like to come in, and then I will go to Richard Woolley with some specific questions.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I think that Richard Woolley was hoping to come in.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I will resume our questions by handing over to Stephen Kerr.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Digital Assets (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Daniel Johnson

Good morning, and welcome to the 36th meeting in 2025 of the Economy and Fair Work Committee. We are holding our final stage 1 evidence session on the Digital Assets (Scotland) Bill. We have received apologies from our colleague Murdo Fraser.

I welcome to the meeting Richard Lochhead, the Minister for Business and Employment, and his officials from the Scottish Government: Kieran Burke, bill team leader; Liam Hepburn, senior policy official; Fraser Gough, parliamentary counsel; and Emma Phillips, who is from the legal directorate.

I invite the minister to make a short opening statement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Digital Assets (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Daniel Johnson

My question was not really about whether we need to do that; that need is relatively clear, for exactly the reasons that you set out. My question was more about why the bill uses the term “rivalrous” rather than using language such as “exclusive control”. Was there a particular reason for using that novel term, which is certainly not in common usage, as opposed to using a slightly longer-form but plainer-language definition to cover the point that it belongs to one person who controls what happens to it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Digital Assets (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Daniel Johnson

With that, I bring in my colleague Sarah Boyack.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Digital Assets (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Daniel Johnson

I have a brief supplementary to that. Professor Robbie made a point about whether carbon credits should be specifically carved out in the bill. Her point was that, once you have created something as property, it makes it very difficult for the Government to exercise control, because of the nature of property rights.

I am certainly not expecting an answer this morning, but I would like to know whether the Government is reflecting on that specific point about carbon credits, given that it was raised by Professor Robbie.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Digital Assets (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Daniel Johnson

I am tempted to ask Mr Gough more questions about the karmic nature of the law, but I will resist that temptation.