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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 8 March 2022
Daniel Johnson
Where else in the budget are we going to underspend in order to generate the £500 million? Why is that not reflected in the spring budget revision itself? You are basically saying that the spring budget revision is not right and that we have overestimated costings by £500 million. Where is it?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 8 March 2022
Daniel Johnson
I will pick up on that point. We are four weeks away from the end of the current financial year. I understand what happened with the cost of living payments—there was not the funding that was expected. Nonetheless, table C2.1 sets out clearly that you will overspend by £98 million against budget in order to meet those commitments in the current financial year, although there will be £511 million for next year’s budget from this year’s budget.
I struggle to square those two things. I understand at a high level what you say about devolved taxes and underspends in other areas. I could accept that statement if we were in quarter 2 of the financial year, but we are four weeks away from year-end. Could you provide a bit more detail so that we can have a bit more confidence? I hope that you know where the £500 million is coming from, because that is quite a big sum.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 8 March 2022
Daniel Johnson
I appreciate that.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 8 March 2022
Daniel Johnson
I just want to briefly correct myself. I stated earlier that the delta was 15 per cent. I should have said 1.5 per cent. I was doing my mental maths too quickly. The flipside of that is that the Government is doing better by an order of magnitude than I was trying to claim.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 8 March 2022
Daniel Johnson
I thank Professor Heald for his submission, which is a useful insight into the context and purpose of the Scottish Government’s spending review. Professor Heald, my reading of your submission is largely that the review is the right thing to do but that the framework document that has already been published by the Government does not go into sufficient detail on the context and dynamics. Is that the correct reading of what you are saying?
Could you elaborate on the context that has been created by Covid over the period of the review? What are the dynamics of Covid recovery that the review should address, from the point of view both of economic scarring and of what public services will be dealing with?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 8 March 2022
Daniel Johnson
I want to follow up on your point about the structure and composition of the income tax base in Scotland. In response to a question from the convener, you discussed the particular issues around the intermediate rate and how that works. You said that research had been undertaken. Could you point the committee to that research? This is a pivotal but underexamined point. Are there things that we should be looking at in relation to that issue?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 8 March 2022
Daniel Johnson
Emma Congreve, I have a question for you about addressing child poverty, which is one of the explicit objectives of the review that is being undertaken. We also have statutory targets. Given that it is such an explicit and overarching objective, will you provide some context for how we are proceeding against those statutory targets and whether we are on track to achieve them, even with doubling the child payment?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 8 March 2022
Daniel Johnson
Sure—but you do accept this, though. I understand how we got here; it is a matter of reconciling the budget from this year into next. What if we had not got the information that you have just provided orally, that there was a gap? In future years, we should be aiming not to require that narrative to reconcile one year’s budget moving into the next year’s budget. Is that a fair comment?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 8 March 2022
Daniel Johnson
I have two things to say about that. First, I understand the how. Secondly, it is not about the information that you have provided, but is about how the situation presenting that information is being managed. That is the critical difference. I hope that minister accepts that it is a good illustration of the point that Audit Scotland and others have made that it is incredibly difficult to track and manage from the budget through to announcements through to outturn through to consolidated accounts.
11:45As somebody who has run a business, I recognise and am very familiar with the difference between budget forecasts and cash management. However, when they are so far apart, it always causes concern, and that should be investigated. Do you recognise that as reflecting the broader point from Audit Scotland? That follow-through is the important point.
The level of delta was about £600 million—that is what we get if we add £98 million to the £511 million—which is 15 per cent, crudely, and that is quite a big variance between the budget and what you are saying the actuals will be.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 8 March 2022
Daniel Johnson
In a similar area, examining the context again, I think that the whole committee was struck by the Scottish Fiscal Commission forecast of employment growth and wage growth, and what that was going to do for the medium-term outlook for income tax revenues and therefore the block grant adjustment. It looks as though, within the next five years, we will receive around £400 million less than we would do under the Barnett formula. The other aspect that sometimes gets missed in the commentary is our social security commitments, so the totality looks like a shortfall of about £700 million.
Do the documents that have been produced thus far have sufficient focus on that medium-term issue? Is there sufficient analysis of the linkages? That shortfall is not just an outcome; potentially, levers are available that could impact wage growth and the number of jobs in the economy. Are those sufficiently examined in the documentation that has been published so far?