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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

I refer to my entry in the register of members’ interests as a member of the RMT parliamentary group as well as Unite the Union. I mention that, because “A Vision for Scotland’s Railways”, which has been referred to, was co-authored by Unite, and I might have a question about that.

Does the panel have a view on how the new institutional arrangements for the provision of ScotRail’s services are working? Are the roles and lines of communication between Scottish ministers, Transport Scotland, Scottish Rail Holdings and ScotRail sufficiently clear and well understood to ensure that the focus remains on current and future service delivery? If not, how could things be improved? I will start with Mick Hogg.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

Safety is critical.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

I will let you back in, and then I will have to hand back to the convener, because we are watching the clock.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

I am concerned about what the witnesses—especially Mick Hogg—have said about not wanting to say to future ministers, when someone has lost their life on Scotland’s railways as a result of antisocial behaviour, “Told you so.”

I looked back at the evidence that we took from Jenny Gilruth and Government officials. The issue of the trends that we are seeing was raised, along with the limitations on the British Transport Police and the particular concerns about the safety of women and girls on trains and at stations. That was supposed to be looked at as part of a national conversation. Can you give an update on that? What engagement has there been?

Earlier, Mick Hogg mentioned that people will not use the trains if they believe that antisocial behaviour is out of control. Is it already out of control?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

A Government summit that will look at violence in schools and antisocial behaviour involving young people is due to take place. Does the focus need to go beyond schools to look at what is happening in the wider community?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

I was not sure whether I had missed the national conversation, so I was hoping that you guys would be able to update us. I know that Jenny Gilruth said quite a lot about the safety of women and girls, the public more widely and staff. Will Gary Kelly and Kevin Lindsay provide an update on that? Also, what is morale like for staff just now?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

That is a really helpful update. I am not sure that we as a committee had been told that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

That is now, but has there been interference from ministers—for example, Jenny Gilruth—in the past? Has there been overreach?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Monica Lennon

Yes. We would expect that interaction to be robust. There has been some discussion in the Parliament about the fact that there might have been interference or overreach on the part of ministers, but you do not have those concerns. You did not experience or witness that.