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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. We will get into the detail of some of those questions shortly.

Can I just ask another question, slightly cheekily, perhaps? I should declare my trade union interests. The framework agreement talks about a

“Trade Union Representative being present and contributing to relevant items at Board meetings”.

Why is it not relevant for a trade union to have a view on issues that come up in the board minutes, such as health and safety, environment and security, or the intake of apprentices? Why is it not rightly in the domain of the trade unions to be involved in those discussions? Are the company’s financial position, the business plan and progress with vessels 801 and 802 not of concern to the trade unions and workforce in the yard?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Is the trade union representative in the room for the whole of the board meeting or are they brought in at a certain point?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is Mr Logan.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Do you mean 7 February?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

We are up against the clock, but the deputy convener has some important final questions to put to you. Over to you, Jamie.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Does that include clearance from the cabinet secretary?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. “Yes” from the civil service is the right answer. However, it would be helpful if you could go back and clarify for us what was known and when, because that is quite important.

In a newspaper report Mr Tydeman said that he had no idea that he was going to be sacked—that it was almost a summary dismissal. If there was due process, it would be useful to have that put on the record, too.

Mr Irwin, when you gave evidence on 25 January regarding the secondment arrangement, you told us that there was no reference to the Ferguson Marine board. However, Mr Tydeman has told us, in writing, that he made Mr Mackenzie, who was chair of the board at that time—February and March 2022—aware of that arrangement. Again, is Mr Tydeman wrong?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. On behalf of the Scottish Government, Mr Irwin, do you accept the findings of the Audit Scotland report?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

It is published in the papers for the committee meeting.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning, and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. Do committee members agree to take items 3 and 4 in private?

Members indicated agreement.