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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
Five are exclusively targeted at the Scottish Government, and three are targeted at the Scottish Government, along with NHS boards, territorial and otherwise.
Will you tell us a little bit about the progress that you have made? The report came out in May; we are now five months on. We will go into some detail on the recommendations, but will you give us an overall picture of where you have made progress and how you have been able to implement each of the eight recommendations?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
We will have questions about some of that.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
If you could give us that by way of follow-up, that would be useful to us.
The other area that I wanted to touch on before I bring in other members of the committee was—you spoke about it in your opening remarks and then in answering my first question—the NHS Scotland executive group. You will be aware that, when we took evidence on 11 June, Alison Cumming from Audit Scotland said:
“our objective assessment is that it can be difficult to make decisions when large numbers of people are around the table”.—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 11 June 2025; c 11]
How do you respond to that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
But is it a decision-making body?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
We may probe into that a little bit more as we go along in the session. I will invite Keith Brown to put some questions to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
Life is full of surprises, Keith.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
Before I move on to Graham Simpson, I have a follow-up to Jamie Greene’s line of questioning. Are there any examples of board chairs applying for reappointment for a second term and being refused?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
Was that after having gone through the process, or were they informally told that they would not be successful if they applied for a second term?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
Graham Simpson might pursue some of those lines of questioning, but over to you, Graham—you ask the questions that you want to ask.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
I have a final question before we get into some of the more detailed points about how the system works in the national health service. NHS governance arrangements were subject to the spotlight of the Auditor General’s report. Indeed, we will speak to the chief executive of the NHS later this morning. Do you have any plans to use your powers of audit and review to look at how things are working in the national health service in Scotland?