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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
How many people?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
Thanks very much, Keith. I turn to Colin Beattie to ask some further questions around the Audit Scotland report.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
Is it not also about diversity and having some kind of blend?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
Item 2 is further consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s report “NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”. I am very pleased to welcome our witnesses: Ian Bruce, the Ethical Standards Commissioner, and Melanie Stronach, the public appointments manager in the office of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland.
I understand that Mr Bruce does not have an opening statement and would like us to go straight to questions. Is that correct?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
Are you a kind of gatekeeper for who gets through the sieving process and who is in the pool of people who can be sought to serve as board members of public bodies?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much. I am now going to turn to the deputy convener, who has some questions to put in a slightly different area, but one that is pretty central to the report that we are looking at.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
Agreed.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
In relation to the system, if the sponsorship team or the director general in a civil service department is in charge of the public appointments process, and if one of the roles of the appointees is to challenge the sponsor division as well as the public body that they are appointed to, is there a danger that individuals who might be more challenging will not get through the process because the civil servants involved in that process will not want that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you. I will move things along by inviting Graham Simpson to ask you some questions.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
Before we move on, I want to pick up on another issue that Graham Simpson raised, which is the connection with local communities. I understand that, for a considerable period of time, the only member of the NHS Western Isles board who lived on the Western Isles was the chair. In fact, some of the non-executive members of that board had not even visited the Western Isles. There was a public outcry about that. How do you ensure that that kind of situation does not arise?