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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Richard Leonard
Good.
I invite Joe FitzPatrick to put some questions to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Richard Leonard
Yes—that would be very helpful, I think.
I have a final point to raise. You have mentioned the independent review into the adult disability payment a couple of times. I cannot pre-empt what the committee decides to do, but we may well invite the director general communities and representatives of Social Security Scotland to give evidence to us on the report. What is your understanding of what they plan to do about the findings of the independent review?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed. I am quite sure that we will get to the funding gap during the course of the next hour or so, but I will begin with some of the first principles. In exhibit 1 in the report, you reflect on the founding principles of the social security system as defined by the Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018, which spoke about social security as being about making an investment in people, the dignity of people, about it being a public service, a method of reducing poverty and so on.
To what extent have the eight substantial and important underpinning principles that are set out in the act been followed by the Government?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 26th meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item for the committee to consider is whether to take agenda items 3 and 4 in private. Are we agreed to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Richard Leonard
We may, in turn, decide to ask the Government that ourselves at some point in the future.
Thank you for the evidence that you have given us this morning on what is an important report. I can particularly relate to Joe FitzPatrick’s encapsulation of it as being a useful exercise in examining how the implementation of the transition has worked. Is there a broader debate that needs to happen? If so, that would probably take us into policy areas as we consider the preventative interventions that could be made—and that takes us back to our old friend, the Christie commission.
On that note, I will draw the public part of this morning’s committee meeting to a close. Before doing so, however, I thank Richard Robinson, Erin McGinley and the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle, for the evidence that they have given us this morning.
10:59 Meeting continued in private until 11:18.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Richard Leonard
Erin, I think you said that the transfer has now been completed, so 347,000 people have transferred across. Over and above that, some people have now applied to Social Security Scotland directly for the adult disability payment, so the total number is around 500,000.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much. I will move us on by inviting Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Richard Leonard
You mentioned the DWP increasing its data collection, or improving the quality of its data. To what extent is there an interdependency between Social Security Scotland and the DWP? For example, in the context of income tax, there have been extensive evidence sessions at this committee about the contract on revenue collection with His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs on behalf of the Scottish Government and the data that it gets out of that arrangement. Is there something equivalent going on in this case, or is Social Security Scotland very much standing alone in charge of the devolved benefits?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Richard Leonard
Graham Simpson is next on the list, but Joe FitzPatrick has some questions in this area, so I will ask him to come in first.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Richard Leonard
Fiona Bennett might know. I do not know whether you can answer that question, Fiona.