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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 March 2026
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Public Audit Committee

“Our impact: Monitoring and evaluation report 2025”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Agenda item 3 is consideration of the Audit Scotland report “Our impact: Monitoring and Evaluation Report 2025”. We are again joined by the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle, and alongside Mr Boyle is Mark MacPherson—you are welcome back, Mr MacPherson—and Michelle Borland, who is the head of organisational improvement at Audit Scotland. We have one or two questions to put to you but, before we get to those, Auditor General, I invite you to make an opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

“Our impact: Monitoring and evaluation report 2025”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Mr Brown will ask some questions about social media and media in general and so on but, before we get to those, I invite the deputy convener to put a couple of questions.

Public Audit Committee

“Our impact: Monitoring and evaluation report 2025”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

On that note, I draw this session to a close. I thank Michelle Borland, Martin MacPherson and Stephen Boyle for their evidence on that report. It is a theme that we will return to, and I am sure it will be part of our deliberations when we consider our legacy report for the next session of Parliament.

As agreed earlier by the committee, I will now move us into private session.

11:52 Meeting continued in private until 12:05.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

But, as I understand it, the exodus of staff—or the big turnover of staff—happened this year, in 2025, did it not? The report is on the financial year 2023-24, when there was the complete absence of any budget.

Auditor General, you are presenting this report to Parliament because you have serious concerns about what happened. I suppose that the question is why those serious concerns were not picked up at an earlier point by either UHI or the Scottish Funding Council.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. I am going to move things along and invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

I read a report that suggested that, under the principal and CEO who has now left but who held that position at the time of the audit, there were five different finance directors, which again is an interesting indication of the instability of that function inside the college.

Public Audit Committee

“Our impact: Monitoring and evaluation report 2025”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. You mentioned the importance of monitoring and evaluation in making a difference. Could you explain how the monitoring and evaluation framework makes a difference?

Public Audit Committee

“Our impact: Monitoring and evaluation report 2025”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

I will bring in Keith Brown at this point.

Public Audit Committee

“Our impact: Monitoring and evaluation report 2025”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

You are on a roll.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. I take you back to your second last point about the role of UHI, which is the regional strategic body that has some kind of oversight of the college, and the role of the Scottish Funding Council. What part do they play in oversight and governance of a college such as UHI Perth?