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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Last week, Edel Harris said her understanding of “value for money” was that it was to be achieved
“not just through running a very efficient system, but also through the value that something brings to society”.—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 5 November; c 39.]
Is that your perspective as well?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
We are short of time, so, instead of going back around the table, I will move things on.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you. In appendix 3 of the report, you set out a table of what is happening to full-time equivalent posts by college. The biggest percentage cut in full-time equivalent staff is at the City of Glasgow College. Incidentally, the second biggest cut—we will come on to it—is at Forth Valley College.
Do you have any understanding of why, at the same time as a college is sitting on significant cash reserves, it is also reducing its teaching and non-teaching staff by such a huge number—160-odd people walking out the door within 12 months?
12:15Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
That is great, Joe—thank you very much. Yes, I invite the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, to put some questions to you on this and some other areas.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
When we took evidence from the Auditor General on 1 October, he said:
“I do not think that we are yet clear about the Government’s intention around the review.”
Edel, are you reasonably clear about the Government’s intention around the review?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Thanks for that response. I invite the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, to ask some questions of you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed for that clarity and for concluding the meeting with a very hopeful and visionary message of a better future.
Edel Harris, thank you for your time this morning. Your evidence has been very useful for us. We have a session with the Scottish Government and Social Security Scotland coming up very soon. I do not know whether we will take the opportunity to press them to get a response earlier than February about their view on the recommendations that you have made in your very important report. We will make sure that you are aware of when that evidence session is, so that you can tune in or follow it later on.
11:59 Meeting continued in private until 12:19.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Graham Simpson wants to come back in with a very quick question.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Okay—good. That is a nice bookend, because we finish as we started, by looking at the governance arrangements.
I thank the Auditor General, Mark MacPherson and Claire Tennyson from Audit Scotland, and Andrew Burns from the Accounts Commission, for their evidence. You have undertaken to have a look at some of our requests for a bit more data. We would very much appreciate it if you could supply us with that, because we will need to consider our next steps in reviewing the findings and recommendations in the report.
We will now have a further evidence session, but I suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses. We will resume in five minutes or so.
11:00 Meeting suspended.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much. I will now turn to Joe FitzPatrick to put some questions to you.