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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Graham Simpson will drill into those areas in a little more detail, but just for clarity, are you saying that all that type of activity—that non-compliant activity—stopped on 31 December?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Richard Leonard

I will now bring in Graham Simpson, who has questions on those areas of non-compliance.

Public Audit Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the first meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee. We have received apologies from the deputy convener, Jamie Greene.

James Dornan has stepped down from the committee. I place on the record my thanks for James’s useful contribution during the short time that he was on the committee. I am also pleased to welcome to the committee his replacement, Stuart McMillan. Stuart, you have been a member of the committee in times past, and your experience will be very helpful to us. You are very welcome to the committee.

For the formal part of the introduction, I ask whether you have any relevant interests that you wish to declare.

Public Audit Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Those issues arise quite regularly at this committee, so thank you very much for that. It is very useful to place that on the record.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Richard Leonard

As part of the audit, have you asked the Scottish Government why it did not take a more proactive approach?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Stuart McMillan has a question on this area, but I will ask him to ask it after I have asked my couple of questions, because then he will have the final block of questions.

I will go back and explore a little more the details of the former chief executive officer’s contractual arrangements.

In paragraph 18 of the report, you described that the former CEO was initially appointed in November 1999 as the water industry commissioner. I presume that there was then a reform of the structure, which led to the establishment of the Water Industry Commission, and he was appointed as the chief executive officer of that in 2005.

In the following paragraph, you talk about the CEO’s “initial contract”. Is the initial contract the one from 1999, or is it from 2005?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Richard Leonard

That is fine. That may be for others to answer.

My final question is one that you might be able to address. In March 2024, there was an amendment to the Scottish public finance manual regarding the treatment of settlement agreements when an accountable officer is the subject of a settlement agreement. Do you have a view on whether that amendment is sufficient to address such situations in the future?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I am delighted to invite Stuart McMillan to put some questions to you. Over to you, Stuart.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Richard Leonard

Agenda item 2 is consideration of the joint report by the Auditor General for Scotland and the Accounts Commission, “Alcohol and drug services”. We took evidence from the Auditor General and his team a couple of weeks ago, and this morning I am pleased to welcome representatives from the Scottish Government. We are joined by the accountable officer from the health and social care directorates, Caroline Lamb, who is the chief executive of NHS Scotland and the Scottish Government’s director general of health and social care. Caroline is joined by Maggie Page, who is the head of the Government’s drugs strategy unit. You are very welcome. We are also joined by Scott Heald, director of data and innovation and head of profession for statistics at Public Health Scotland. You are very welcome, too, Mr Heald.

We have some questions to put to you but, before we get to those, I invite the director general to make some opening remarks.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Richard Leonard

Can I explore that a bit more? You referred to the letter that you sent us, which I think was dated 10 December, in which you very clearly, and quite often, use the phrase:

“The Scottish Government accepts this recommendation”—

indeed, you use it in regard to nearly all the recommendations. However, there are two for which you do not. The first is recommendation 1, which is to

“work with key stakeholders to agree actions”

to address the lack of

“focus and funding for tackling alcohol-related harm”.

Do you accept that there has been a loss of focus on alcohol-related harm?