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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Public Audit Committee

“Community justice: Sustainable alternatives to custody”

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

Richard Leonard

I was not suggesting a target for the prison population; I was referring to the whole basis of the conversation this morning, which is about the proportions and how we get a shift from custodial to community-based justice options. That is not about a cap on the prison population; it is about how we shift from disposals that are custody based to disposals that are not custody based. My question is: are you set any targets for that shift in balance from one to the other?

Public Audit Committee

“Covid-19 vaccination programme”

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

Richard Leonard

The third item on our agenda is evidence from Audit Scotland on its briefing paper, “Covid-19 vaccination programme”, which was produced recently. Our witnesses will give evidence on the research and audit that has been carried out by Audit Scotland. I welcome Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General for Scotland, and Leigh Johnston, who is a senior manager at Audit Scotland. Joining us remotely is Eva Thomas-Tudo, who is a senior auditor for performance audit and best value at Audit Scotland.

If Eva Thomas-Tudo wants to come in, she should put an R in the chat function. If the witnesses in the room want to come in, they should simply indicate to me or the clerks, and we will do our best to bring them in.

I ask Stephen Boyle to give a brief opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

“Covid-19 vaccination programme”

Meeting date: 28 October 2021

Richard Leonard

It does include that cost. That is good.

You mentioned recent announcements. An additional £482 million was announced, to include funding for personal protective equipment, test and protect and the delivery of Covid-19 vaccinations. Does the Auditor General or any member of the team have a sense of how that will fit the expected likely demand?

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

I do not think that anyone has indicated that they want to come in. As we have the Auditor General here, I think that it would be useful to get his reflections on where he thinks we are with data collection—not just data for data’s sake, but data that tells us about outcomes.

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you for that powerful testimony from the front line. Other witnesses want to come in, so I will turn to them. I am conscious that time is marching on, but I want to bring in Alex Pirrie first, then the co-chairs of the joint delivery board.

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

I turn to the people joining us via videolink, starting with Martin McKay.

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

It is useful to have that on the record.

My final question for now is for Alex Cumming from SAMH. This is challenge poverty week. We know from the Audit Scotland report in 2018 that, a child who lives in a low-income household is three times more likely to suffer mental health problems than a child living in a more affluent household. There is an issue about the effect that poverty has on mental health, self-esteem, self-harming, anxiety, stress, depression and so on. Those issues will be accentuated for children who are being brought up in poverty. Educational performance will be affected as well as overall life chances. Is enough being done to recognise the scale of that challenge and the inequality that it produces?

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

Dr Morton, your practice is in a relatively deprived part of the city of Edinburgh. Do you have any reflections on the impact of poverty and inequality on the mental health of the people who you see?

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

I presume that the delivery board has some oversight of counselling services. Can Donna Bell answer the question more directly?

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

Hannah—over to you. Do you want to come in?