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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2021
Richard Leonard
That needs to be measured, and it needs to be measured in a meaningful way.
Earlier, we mentioned the governance and accountability lines, particularly since the passing of the Community Justice (Scotland) Act 2016. Colin Beattie has a series of questions about that.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2021
Richard Leonard
Thank you. Mr Beattie will ask questions about the governance structure later on.
I turn to sentencing, on which I invite Willie Coffey to ask his questions. An interesting report has been published today by the Scottish Sentencing Council that goes to the heart of some of the committee’s questions and areas of concern.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2021
Richard Leonard
Two things arise from that. Would it be possible to get that information or data into the public domain? If the point that you are making is that 5 per cent does not capture the full extent of the additional resources that are now going into community justice, it would serve your argument and the case for your department’s performance to demonstrate that more resources are going into that. As I said, quite an important maxim is follow the money.
The other question that arises for me is whether you have any targets. We asked that question in the session with Audit Scotland on the briefing. I mentioned the proportion of non-custodial sentences going from 59 per cent to 56 per cent to 59 per cent. Do you work towards any formal or informal or internally or externally set targets for that number?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2021
Richard Leonard
We will look forward to that.
Will you confirm whether the costings in the briefing cover the booster vaccination programme that has already started for some categories of the population? Do you have any sense of the projected costs for vaccination programmes in future years? Has your work on this year’s vaccination programme given you any sense of where things are with the booster programme and what any possible future vaccination programme might look like or what it might cost?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2021
Richard Leonard
That is helpful. Are you saying that the figure does not include the cost of the booster programme? Have I picked that up correctly?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2021
Richard Leonard
I am not sure that we want to dive into a full-scale debate on vaccination passports at the Public Audit Committee.
Willie Coffey is next. Willie—you have questions on the digital stuff and on population reach.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2021
Richard Leonard
Colin Beattie has questions.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2021
Richard Leonard
Thank you, Mr Rennick. That was a very helpful and instructive answer, although it provokes a final question.
Everyone talks about the logjam in the criminal justice system because of Covid, during which the courts have operated on a very different basis. Mr Griffin, can you tell us about the department’s view of how the backlog will be managed? “Opportunities” might not be the right word, but does the current situation give you a junction in time to drive what happens in a slightly different way?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2021
Richard Leonard
Thank you for ending on that very positive note.
I thank Mr Griffin, Mr Rennick and Ms Dalrymple for joining us. We appreciate your input, your candour and your vitality, at times, in responding to the questioning. Thank you very much for your time and your evidence.
I look forward to seeing Mr Griffin again soon, perhaps.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2021
Richard Leonard
I suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.
10:04 Meeting suspended.