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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2022
Gillian Martin
Did you want to comment, Hannah?
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2022
Gillian Martin
We come to our second evidence session on the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. I am delighted to welcome our witnesses. In person, we have Frank McKillop, who is head of policy and research for Enable Scotland, and Andy Miller, who is strategic lead for participation and practice lead for the Scottish Commission for People with Learning Disabilities. Online, we have Dr Caroline Gould, who is a trustee and access auditor for the Skye and Lochalsh access panel; Dr Pauline Nolan, who is head of leadership and civic participation for Inclusion Scotland; and Rhona Willder, who is development manager for the Scottish Independent Advocacy Alliance.
I will put the first question to the witnesses—I guess that I do that every time and I did it with the first panel. How do you feel that the bill could be strengthened? I will go round everyone. Not every committee colleague will have the luxury of going round everyone, because we do not have time, but I will take convener’s privilege in that regard to start things off. I will go to Frank McKillop first.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2022
Gillian Martin
That is helpful. We will, of course, have the minister in front of us just before we break for Christmas, so we will be able to put all those questions to him.
I want to go to those who are joining us online. Can Caroline Gould come in?
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2022
Gillian Martin
Thank you. My colleagues will want to come in on a lot of the detail of what you have said. We will come back to many of the issues that you have brought up.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2022
Gillian Martin
I remind the witnesses that, if anyone wants to come in on a specific question as they hear it being asked, those who are online should put an R in the chat box and those here in front of us should indicate as much—as Andy Miller has helpfully done.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2022
Gillian Martin
The final set of questions comes from Evelyn Tweed.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2022
Gillian Martin
That was mentioned by the previous panel as well, and by a few other people.
We have Dr Gould back. The last word is for you, Dr Gould, before we wind up.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2022
Gillian Martin
Given all your wider concerns, which we totally appreciate, we are keen to know what your message would be to the Government as it starts its co-design process after the passing of the bill, to help somebody in a remote and rural area to be involved in that co-design. What—practically—could the Government do?
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2022
Gillian Martin
Thank you. That is a good note to end on.
That brings our formal meeting to a close. At our next meeting, the committee will continue its scrutiny of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill with two further evidence sessions, which will focus on related services, public protection, older people and Anne’s law.
I thank everyone who joined us in Glasgow today—everyone who was involved in the formal meeting, Quarriers for hosting us, and everyone whom we met in the centre of Glasgow this morning. I thank everyone for their time; it has been hugely helpful. This type of outreach and going out to different places in Scotland as much as possible can only help to make it a better scrutiny process, so I thank everyone for helping us in that regard.
Meeting closed at 17:37.Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 5 December 2022
Gillian Martin
It does. I will go to Hannah Tweed next.