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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 July 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Gillian Martin

Would either of our remote witnesses like to come in on that question? Leigh Johnston, I saw you nodding along as David Bell spoke. Would you like to come in?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Gillian Martin

We move on to questions on health and social care pay.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you, colleagues.

At the committee’s next meeting, we will take evidence on winter planning for the NHS and social care. That concludes the public part of today’s meeting.

16:11 Meeting continued in private until 16:30.  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Gillian Martin

I remind colleagues who are joining us online to use the chat function to let me know when they want to comment or add to anything that has been said. As no one wants to do that at the moment, I will ask David Bell a supplementary question.

I will not go too deeply into preventative spend, as colleagues will ask about that during the meeting, but we need to quantify where other interventions and areas of spend in portfolios have impacts on health. If we were to take money away from an education budget in order to put it towards health, that could have the impact of increasing people’s ill health. If we put more money towards, for example, net zero, that will have an impact on health as well. You mentioned data. Are we almost too fixated on the health budget being about health, rather than having a general budget that impacts on the nation’s health? It is also very difficult to quantify that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Gillian Martin

That comes back to the issue of short-term spending and short-term outcomes, which quite a lot of people have brought up in their written evidence. Things such as waiting times can be quantified on a quarterly basis, but the health outcomes are more difficult to assess.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Gillian Martin

Before I move on, I will check in with Professor Wittenberg. You have not said that you want to come in, professor, but social care has been mentioned, and it has particular relevance to Emma Harper’s question about staff. You mentioned issues around staffing. Do you have anything to add on that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Gillian Martin

We move on to discussing the national care service, the bill for which we are about to scrutinise at stage 1 in the coming months. I hand over to Sandesh Gulhane.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Gillian Martin

We go to Carol Mochan.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Gillian Martin

I will bring in the other witnesses; we will go to Professor Wittenberg first.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Gillian Martin

I thank our three witnesses for giving us so much food for thought as we approach our budget scrutiny. Thank you for those helpful pointers, particularly as we also approach scrutiny of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. That is all that we have time for; thank you all.