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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

I see Sir Harry nodding along. Do you want to add anything?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

We will move on to our final theme, which will be led by Stephanie Callaghan.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

I think that that is all on the public record anyway, is it not? We can talk about that in private session.

Are we agreed on Gillian Mackay’s approach?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

I welcome everyone to the 29th meeting in 2022 of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. I have received apologies from Emma Harper. Our colleague James Dornan, who is joining us online, is substituting for her.

Agenda item 1 is a presentation from Dr Irena Connon, who undertook commissioned research on international models of social care for the committee’s consideration ahead of our scrutiny of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. I invite Dr Connon to give a presentation of no more than 20 minutes, after which we will ask her questions.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

I do not want to presume, but I would say that, in this country, that cultural expectation tends to fall on women. Is that the case in those other countries?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

I call Sandesh Gulhane, who has a quick question, and I see that Tess White, who is online, wants to come in, too.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

I thank Dr Connon for the power of work that she has put into the report and for spending so much time with us this morning to answer our questions. It was a very useful start to our scrutiny process.

We will take a 10-minute break to allow for a change of witnesses.

09:55 Meeting suspended.  

10:07 On resuming—  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

If any online panel members want to come in, they just have to type R in the chat box. There we go: Professor Needham wants to come in, I think. Maybe we should let people know that I see “Professor Catherine” on screen, but there are two Professor Catherines. If I mix up the two of you, I apologise—the surname is just not coming up.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

I have a question on ethical commissioning. I presume that the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill seeks to ensure that there are fair work principles and standards across everything. Obviously, local decision making will still happen for all the reasons that have been outlined, but there will be standards for the care that people are offered, fair work and fair pay principles, and a structure akin to that of the NHS. Is that really going to underpin all the local decision making?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

I will bring in two of our witnesses, and we will then have to wrap up. Professor Needham is waiting very patiently. I will then will bring in Professor Glasby.