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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 July 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

I will pass over to my colleague Tess White.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you, Tess. Sandesh Gulhane wants to come in.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Is there a comparison to make between the Government’s approach in implementing the social security system, whereby it went round the country and spoke to people about their experiences of social security, and the approach that it is taking now, whereby it has a national care forum—the first of the meetings was in Perth last month—that involves people from the third sector and people who are experiencing social care systems throughout Scotland? Is there a comparison that we can draw between the success of that approach to social security and this approach? How important might that be as we implement the bill?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Okay. In that case, we move on to theme 5, which is about how the bill will assist us in making headway on its policy aims. The questioning on that will be led by Paul O’Kane.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Sandesh Gulhane has a question on that theme.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

The petition was referred to us, so perhaps it is best that we do not have much more ping-ponging than there has already been—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

We need to make a decision. I agree with David Torrance that we should close petition PE1915, for the reasons that he set out. We should keep the other three petitions open and use them as a springboard for scrutiny of rural healthcare and addressing all the issues that the petitioners have raised, and we should get the cabinet secretary in to give evidence. I favour Gillian Mackay’s approach of writing to the rural health boards, but we should keep in mind what Sandesh Gulhane said—namely, that we need to hear from all rural health boards. When we ask them to come in front of the committee, it should not always be the same ones but all of them. We cannot compel people to come in front of the committee, but everyone should take the opportunity to talk about what they are doing to address those issues.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

Are we agreed on Gillian’s and David’s approach?

Members indicated agreement.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

There you go—co-ownership.

Thank you, colleagues. That concludes the public part of our meeting. We will move into private session.

11:57 Meeting continued in private until 12:18.  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

I should clarify that I mean health and wellbeing. I missed out the word “wellbeing”, but that is what was in my head. I am talking not only about health outcomes but the general wellbeing outcomes. I will bring in Professor Jon Glasby.

10:15