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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 July 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Jackie, I reiterate that, if any member asks a question and you wish to answer but have not been asked directly, you can put an R in the chat box. I can see that and will bring you in. I am conscious that, when we have someone online, we want to ensure that they have ample opportunity to contribute.

We will move on to the next theme, which will be led by Carol Mochan.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

We must wrap up now, as we are rapidly running out of time. I thank the witnesses for their time this morning—they have been very helpful. At our next meeting, the committee will continue its scrutiny of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill with two more evidence-taking sessions.

I now close the meeting.

Meeting closed at 12:44.  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Emma Harper has a brief question, after which we must wrap up.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Welcome, everyone, to the 30th meeting in 2022 of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. I have received no apologies from any members. Stephanie Callaghan will be joining us online.

Under agenda item 1, we continue our consideration of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. We will have two evidence sessions this morning. The first session will focus on a human rights approach and legislative considerations.

I welcome to the committee our three witnesses. Jennifer Paton is a policy executive with the Law Society of Scotland; Isla Davie, King’s Counsel, is from the Faculty of Advocates; and Frank Jarvis, is legal officer with the Scottish Human Rights Commission.

One of the principles that is set out in the bill—it is one of the first things in the bill—is that the services provided by the national care service

“are to be regarded as an investment in society that ... is essential to the realisation of human rights”.

Do you think that the provisions in this very high-level framework bill have the potential to address issues in the current system that have led to inconsistencies in relation to equity and the issues that we have heard about, particularly over the past couple of years, where there may not have been a consistent approach throughout the country to people’s human rights? Can this framework bill be a springboard to addressing people’s human rights when accessing care services?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

In social care throughout the country, are there gaps, such as in the provision of complaints processes or with regard to people’s ability to challenge the service that they have received on the basis of their human rights? Would the bill provide a springboard to address those gaps?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

I call Sandesh Gulhane, and then I will bring in Emma Harper.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Martin

Is that not about the accountability of what happens in those assets?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

I welcome everyone to the 29th meeting in 2022 of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. I have received apologies from Emma Harper. Our colleague James Dornan, who is joining us online, is substituting for her.

Agenda item 1 is a presentation from Dr Irena Connon, who undertook commissioned research on international models of social care for the committee’s consideration ahead of our scrutiny of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. I invite Dr Connon to give a presentation of no more than 20 minutes, after which we will ask her questions.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

I do not want to presume, but I would say that, in this country, that cultural expectation tends to fall on women. Is that the case in those other countries?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Gillian Martin

I call Sandesh Gulhane, who has a quick question, and I see that Tess White, who is online, wants to come in, too.