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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
I do—and you have just articulated effectively why I am open to considering something. First, we need to look at whether the existing offences and the associated penalties are enough of a deterrent. However, we also need to put our trust in the police. The system of ID numbers has been operational for a number of years, and for good reason. Let me put it this way: the police are not daft. They are going to sus out pretty quickly whether somebody is at it. As for whether taking a belt-and-braces approach and providing more of a deterrent will deter people, I am absolutely open to suggestions on that.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
When my officials were in front of the committee three or four weeks ago, we hoped to have a decision by today on whether we would seek to amend the bill in that regard. The reality is that we are still looking at proposals that have been put to us about other types of snares. We do not want to make a decision before we have fully investigated those proposals, but our decision will be imminent.
I am conscious that, as Christine Grahame said at the 31 May meeting, the committee will need time to scrutinise whatever we decide to do; I am completely alive to that fact. When I convened committees, I got quite upset when things changed halfway through a bill process and there was not adequate time for scrutiny, so I understand that the committee needs to know our position on snaring quite quickly. The committee can expect a decision very soon.
09:15When stakeholders tell us—as they have done, particularly from the gamekeeping fraternity—that there are more humane ways of doing things that they would like us to look at and that there has been modernisation in the field, it is incumbent on us not to dismiss that out of hand and simply barrel on regardless. We need to consider whether the mechanisms are humane, and we do that with veterinary and animal welfare colleagues.
To respond to Ms Wishart’s question, I cannot give a date, because I do not know it yet, but it will be soon.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
Let me answer the question. Measures that we have put in place are still not making the significant difference that we intended them to make; they are not eradicating that crime. The fact that there has been recorded crime does not mean that unrecorded crime does not exist. I also note that a lot of the evidence has disappeared.
We are maybe talking about tagged birds—so, there would have been 11 tagged bird crimes in 2020. However, what of the ones that are not tagged? We have no way of knowing. Hugh knows about that figure.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
No, I would not. I have seen people claiming that the Werritty report was concerned with only raptor persecution—it was not. The Werritty report was by the grouse moor management group, and it made more than 40 recommendations relating to grouse moor management, including recommendations on licensing, grouse shooting, muirburn and the use of traps. The bill is reflective of those recommendations and the issues that the Werritty report identified. So, no, I will not reduce the scope of the bill.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
To my understanding, we are also seeing that the populations are of a disproportionately younger age, which suggests that there are issues relating to the suspicious disappearance of more mature adults. I stick with what I said in response to Mr Allan. We feel that the licensing scheme is necessary, because we are not seeing the significant improvement that we wanted.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
For me to lodge amendments, or if people were to come to me with amendments for me to look at and decide whether we would support them, I would need to do a little bit more work so that there are no unintended consequences.
I keep coming back to the fact that I have had the bill in front of me for only a week. Between now and stage 2, I need to determine what length of licence is appropriate—what will hit the mark and is neither too long nor too short—so I cannot really make that commitment to you right now.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
No. We will have to disagree on that.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
The code of practice will be designed by NatureScot after the bill has been passed.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
I refer you to my earlier answer in which I explained that it would be very unusual for the code of practice to be written by a minister when we have a body such as NatureScot, which will be taking forward the licensing scheme and the code of practice in consultation with, and through working together with, stakeholders.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
There is nothing unusual about this at all, but I will bring in Hugh Dignon, who will probably have examples, given that the matter is in his remit.