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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 March 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Gillian Martin

Convener, that is a statement rather than a question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

I might bring in my officials in a second because, as I said, they have been working on the bill for some time.

The language around use and sale is much cleaner and clearer. My officials will comment on the rationale, on which they have been working for some time, but we could have a situation in which someone could have old glue traps in a garden shed or loft. We should not criminalise people who do not intend to use such traps but who bought them a long time ago and might not even know that they still have them.

We will stop the sale and use of glue traps. My officials will be able to give you the detail of the investigation into that aspect of the bill, but my feeling is that introducing an offence of possession could unnecessarily criminalise people who have just forgotten that they have traps. Police Scotland will be involved in disposal of any glue traps that people have, so I guess that it will do some work to ensure that people do not possess them when they should not. However, I do not see the need to criminalise people who do not intend to use glue traps.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

I get where you are going, Mr Allan: obviously, there is sale of recognised brands of glue trap, but someone could make a home-made version.

Hugh Dignon is helpfully pointing out that the bill states:

“‘glue trap’ means a trap that ... is designed, or is capable of being used, to catch an animal other than an invertebrate, and ... uses an adhesive substance as the means, or one of the means, of capture.”

Therefore, the home-made version that you mentioned would be a glue trap. Basically, the provision would include that. We are not in a situation where planks of wood and tins of glue—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

We have not decided on that yet.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

Essentially, the 2020 act is about sale of things across the UK, so, if we want to progress our policy objectives in the Scottish Government and the Scottish Parliament, it has the potential to be something that we ask for exemptions from quite often.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

To be honest, I would need to look into that. Hugh—do you have any information on whether the Senedd has achieved that exemption?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

My understanding was that the Welsh had a complete ban—I looked at that last night as they passed it. However, I still want to speak to my Welsh counterparts to see what they have done in that area. Our intention is to ban the sale of glue traps, and we will need to negotiate with our UK counterparts to see whether we can do that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

You will appreciate that I realised only a week past Tuesday that I was taking forward the bill. I was not involved in its drafting, so I cannot speak to that. The question is really for my predecessor, who is not accountable to the committee any more.

Bills change. If we make proposals, we have to ensure that the committee has the time to scrutinise them. That is why I made the announcement about the SSPCA yesterday, ahead of the committee deliberating on its report.

I am looking to my officials for when we think that we will have anything on the snaring proposals. I would want to get that to the committee sooner rather than later so that, when the committee puts together its stage 1 report, it has the full information.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

You are right. You have pointed to the Scottish Animal Welfare Commission’s recommendations. We take that position seriously, and we look to the commission for advice. However, individuals, stakeholders and organisations have asked us to look at other views, which we are doing. We will come to a conclusion on that soon. It might be the same conclusion that you just cited.

As members will understand, I want to be sighted on all the decisions about that, as I now have responsibility for the bill. Before a decision is made, I want to see what has been looked at and what conclusions have been reached, and I want to do that quite quickly—as I have said, in the next couple of weeks. After this evidence session, I will look to see when we can give the committee a definitive date. If I can get a definitive date to the committee even more quickly than when it is going to be released, I will do that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Gillian Martin

My officials and I need to decide what our policy objective is going to be and what our proposal and our amendments will be at stage 2. If that is to ban the sale of snares—in the same way as we propose to ban the sale of glue traps—there will immediately be a letter to notify the UK Government of our intention.