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Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Gillian Martin
Thank you. Russell Findlay has the next question.
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Gillian Martin
I thank all of you for your attendance this morning and for everything that you have said. It has been extremely helpful and powerful.
I suspend the meeting to allow the witnesses to leave.
11:16 Meeting suspended.Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Gillian Martin
I want to press you on your comment about the interventions that we are not currently using. Will you expand on that?
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Gillian Martin
Welcome to the first joint meeting in 2023 of the members of the Criminal Justice Committee, the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee and the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. We will be considering the progress that has been made in implementing the recommendations of the Scottish Drug Deaths Taskforce report.
We are joined by a selection of members from each of the committees, but we have also received apologies from the following members who usually like to join us: Miles Briggs, Foysol Choudhury and Sue Webber. Pauline McNeill is attending the meeting, too; she is joining us online.
Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. Do members agree to take item 3 in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Gillian Martin
I will bring in Pauline McNeill now and will bring you back in at the end if we have time.
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Gillian Martin
Thank you. I will bring Karen Reynolds back in and then I will go to my colleagues.
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Gillian Martin
To come back to what Justina Murray has just said, though, you used the word “gatekeepers”—that sounds like quite a negative term, suggesting that people are closing the gate too firmly when the family and the person involved may see residential rehab as an option.
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Gillian Martin
Carry on—we have about 25 minutes.
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Gillian Martin
What service gap is the hub filling? What is the hub doing that was not being done before?
Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)
Meeting date: 22 March 2023
Gillian Martin
I want to mention the issue of a national stigma action plan. Throughout this discussion, we have talked about things that are measurable and for which people can be held accountable. The minister has said many times that stigma kills, but stigma takes many forms. The development of a stigma action plan and a stigma charter is one thing, but there needs to be action in relation to the organisations that are working on the ground. I am talking not only about the agencies that provide treatment to people with substance problems, but other agencies that they may come into contact with. How will you make sure that stigma is tackled by every service that people might come into contact with?