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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
We are only at stage 1. It is my job to consider any proposal that a member makes ahead of stage 2. Having been on the other side of the table for many years, I encourage members to ask for meetings with me so that we can look at their proposals and see whether the Government can support them.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
If we had a date, we would give you it, but we do not.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
I will have to ask for more clarity in relation to your question. Are you saying that there is not a connection between the evidence and what we are doing in the bill? What do you mean by “rational connection”?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
Eleven recorded crimes—
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
Ms Hamilton, you are the one asserting that point—I do not agree with it.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
Okay—if that is additional to what my officials have already sent, because quite comprehensive evidence was sent to the committee a couple of weeks ago.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
I get that. That is fine. We will pass that on.
09:30Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
I gave you my initial personal thoughts about why we have not included possession in the bill, but I am, obviously, willing to move on anything. Beatrice Wishart raised the issue; it is, perhaps, something that she feels should be included in the bill. We are at the general principles stage, so I am willing to speak with anyone who thinks that the offences could be widened or improved.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
I do—and you have just articulated effectively why I am open to considering something. First, we need to look at whether the existing offences and the associated penalties are enough of a deterrent. However, we also need to put our trust in the police. The system of ID numbers has been operational for a number of years, and for good reason. Let me put it this way: the police are not daft. They are going to sus out pretty quickly whether somebody is at it. As for whether taking a belt-and-braces approach and providing more of a deterrent will deter people, I am absolutely open to suggestions on that.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 28 June 2023
Gillian Martin
When my officials were in front of the committee three or four weeks ago, we hoped to have a decision by today on whether we would seek to amend the bill in that regard. The reality is that we are still looking at proposals that have been put to us about other types of snares. We do not want to make a decision before we have fully investigated those proposals, but our decision will be imminent.
I am conscious that, as Christine Grahame said at the 31 May meeting, the committee will need time to scrutinise whatever we decide to do; I am completely alive to that fact. When I convened committees, I got quite upset when things changed halfway through a bill process and there was not adequate time for scrutiny, so I understand that the committee needs to know our position on snaring quite quickly. The committee can expect a decision very soon.
09:15When stakeholders tell us—as they have done, particularly from the gamekeeping fraternity—that there are more humane ways of doing things that they would like us to look at and that there has been modernisation in the field, it is incumbent on us not to dismiss that out of hand and simply barrel on regardless. We need to consider whether the mechanisms are humane, and we do that with veterinary and animal welfare colleagues.
To respond to Ms Wishart’s question, I cannot give a date, because I do not know it yet, but it will be soon.