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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 August 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Gillian Martin

I thank the minister and all his officials for the extra time that they have given to answer our questions.

As no member has indicated that they have further questions to ask, I will wind up our session now.

That was our final meeting of 2022. At our first meeting in the new year, we will be taking evidence on the Scottish budget for 2023-24 from the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care.

I take this opportunity to wish everyone a happy and restful festive period. I reiterate my thanks to everyone in Scottish society who has helped us with our work during this year.

That concludes the public part of our meeting today.

11:53 Meeting continued in private until 12:07.  

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Gillian Martin

The next item on our agenda is the final oral evidence session in the committee’s stage 1 scrutiny of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. We are taking evidence from the Minister for Mental Wellbeing and Social Care and supporting officials. I welcome to the committee the Minister for Mental Wellbeing and Social Care, Kevin Stewart and, from the Scottish Government, Fiona Bennett, who is the interim deputy director for the national health service, integration and social care finance, and Anna Kynaston, who is deputy director of national care service programme design, engagement and legislation. Good morning to you all. I invite the minister to make a brief opening statement.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Gillian Martin

Thank you, minister, and thank you for referencing the amount of outreach work that we have done. That gives me the opportunity to thank everyone whom we have met across Scotland in our outreach work and public engagement.

There are two common queries that people have put to us, which I will now put to you. They have come up quite a lot in the informal and formal sessions that we have had.

Over our weeks of evidence gathering, many people whom we have spoken to have said that there is already a lot of excellent legislation relating to care; that there are already excellent policies that they were very excited about when the policies were announced; and that there are lots of frameworks and strategies. However, there is a big implementation gap. How would the national care service close that implementation gap? Do we need a national care service to close that implementation gap, and why can that not be done now? That is the first query.

The second query is more of a comment. People have said that there is not enough detail in the bill for them to be able to ascertain what the national care service will be.

I put those to you in a oner. They are big questions, but they come up a lot.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Gillian Martin

Okay. I wanted to give you clarity as to what David Torrance was getting at.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Gillian Martin

Good morning and welcome to the 38th—and last—meeting in 2022 of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee. I have not received any apologies.

The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take item 3 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Gillian Martin

I will come back to Stephanie Callaghan, who has a follow-up.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Gillian Martin

I was looking at the papers and thinking about where you were coming from. It is now on the record.

We now want to talk about care boards. I hand over to Paul O’Kane.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Gillian Martin

A number of members want to ask questions about commissioning and procurement. We will start with Carol Mochan.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Gillian Martin

Tess White also has a quick follow-up question.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Gillian Martin

Carol Mochan, did you have a question on this?