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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

John Mason

That is interesting.

Finally, paragraph 107 of the financial memorandum, on page 23, talks about the PIRC making

“recommendations to the Chief Constable”.

That is under the heading “Unknown indirect costs”, so there is a lot of uncertainty in that respect. It would depend on what those costs were. The memorandum goes on to state:

“If there is a cost in implementing the recommendation then this indirect cost cannot be quantified.”

Can you give any examples of that? What might the PIRC recommend? Is it just that the variations are so wide that you cannot put a figure on it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

John Mason

I do not know what kind of thing the PIRC would recommend, but let us say that it was some piece of equipment such as a camera or new cars—whatever it might be. Is it just totally unpredictable as to what the PIRC might recommend?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

John Mason

Right. So, even in a revised financial memorandum, that aspect would stay the same—it would still be unpredictable.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

John Mason

If we take forestry, I think that we have been planting more trees than elsewhere in the UK, but that is not enough, in a sense, because the potential for tree planting in Scotland is presumably huge, and it is bigger than in the rest of the UK.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

John Mason

That is helpful—thank you.

You have talked about damage, adaptation and mitigation. On adaptation in particular, you have said that you need more plans, costs and data. Is it the case that it does not matter how much data we have, because we are still very uncertain about where we are going? Can there ever be enough data to give us solid projections?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

John Mason

I am not sure that I understand or that I am explaining myself very well. In Police Scotland’s evidence, it says:

“The legal costs involved in defending such challenges vary but will always be significant. An example of the level of costs that can be incurred was provided”,

and it goes on. Police Scotland seems to suggest that the costs would be different. If an officer had left, they might want their own legal representation, whereas they would not if they were still in the police.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

John Mason

Are you saying that the CCC is looking at what spend is needed, rather than where the spend comes from?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

John Mason

Is there a difference in the costs involved for higher ranks and for lower ranks?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

John Mason

So does the SPF cover the costs for existing officers but not the costs for officers who have left?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

John Mason

I slightly disagree with the convener, because I agree with the idea of materiality and rounding things to £10,000 or so. That is much more realistic, and it is quite normal in accounting practice.