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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
The impression that I am getting is that everybody realised that there was a bit of a problem, but no one in the system—I accept that it did not have to be you; as I am from an accounting background, I might have expected it to be the finance director—really drove this or underlined the urgency and spoke to the court and the committees. That just was not happening, was it?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
Did the internal or external auditors have direct discussions with you?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
I would say, by way of comment, that my experience of covenants is that they are varied. Sometimes banks insist on them, and sometimes they do not. Sometimes they are more relaxed about them—but they can catch you out.
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
I met you when the Finance and Public Administration Committee visited last summer; it was a great visit, and we saw the big picture. We did not discuss the finances, but it was all very positive at that time. Yesterday, the finance director told us that, when he—or, I should say, they—prepared the management accounts month by month, you did not look at them before the finance committee, the audit committee or the court got to see them. Is that the case?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
That surprises me a little bit. I have worked as the finance manager or whatever for organisations, albeit smaller ones, and the chief executive was all over me. As soon as I had prepared the management accounts, he or she wanted to sit down with me before anyone else saw them and go through them line by line, asking “Why this?” and “Why that?” before they went out. Sometimes I could give an explanation; sometimes, if there was an error, I had to correct it. You did not take that kind of hands-on approach with the management accounts, did you?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
Yesterday, it was suggested that the finance department was underresourced. As the university grew, there was, I presume, more work. Were you aware of that? Were you ever asked for more resources for the finance department?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
We got the impression that there were some long-term sickness and other issues, so the department felt under pressure. If the finance director had wanted one or two more staff for the finance department, how would they have gone about that? Would they have come to you or the chief operating officer? How would that have worked?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
If the finance director had been working in the evening or at weekends because they were under pressure, would you have known about that? Would you have picked up on that?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
Would you say that you were somebody who deals with detail, or are you more about the big picture?
Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 26 June 2025
John Mason
So when they formed a view that the university was a going concern through to July 2025, that came from other people. They were forming that view.