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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

Okay.

Finally, in your submission, you talk about the need for adequate resources to widen access to front-line advice and so on. Do you need more resources now and, if so, how much more? Is it 50 per cent more or twice as much?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

I was once suspended for nine months as a councillor. At the time I had not even realised that there were two separate organisations—if there were at that time. It just seemed like all one process. If it had been one organisation it would have made no difference to me.

Dr Plastow, I picked up in your submission—I think you have mentioned it already—that some of the other commissioners are not legally separate, such the chief inspectors of constabulary, prisons, and prosecutions. Are they less independent than you and your colleagues are?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

Are they less independent?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

That has been covered. It is more the independence bit that I was interested in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

I think that it was Ms Savage who mentioned that the words “commission” and “commissioner” mean a lot of different things to different people. Is that a problem? We understand that things are the same internationally, in that many countries have a somewhat complex landscape. Is that a problem? Should we be trying to define “commission” and “commissioner”?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

I will come to Ms Agnew in a moment, because she has touched on the independence question. I asked this question of the previous panel. Is it more important that the commissioner is independent in themselves rather than in terms of what they are called and whether they are answerable to the Government, Parliament or whatever?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

You have correctly said that it is quite a complex area. I think that we are struggling, in some ways, to get to grips with it. I suspect that many people would probably struggle to say how the children’s commissioner and His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Prisons for Scotland differ from each other.

I was interested in your point that although they are all independent to the public, how the public see the role might depend on whether the role is called “commissioner” or something else. I think that most people would think that His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Prisons for Scotland is quite independent; from the public’s point of view, I am not sure that there is a difference between their being answerable to the Government and their being answerable to Parliament. I get that, theoretically, they are less independent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

John Mason

Thanks very much, and thank you, convener.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

John Mason

Obviously, it is difficult to change legislation, so we are not proposing that. Do you feel that you could make the system simpler if it was not for such and such legislation, or does it work okay?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security Scotland

Meeting date: 25 April 2024

John Mason

I take the point, Ms Devlin, that you are trying to make the system friendly, helpful and simple, but we have had evidence that some clients find the process to be quite complex and stressful. My understanding is that the legislation has certain requirements, such as that redetermination requests are to be made in a form that the Scottish ministers require. Can you give us an idea of how much flexibility you have in relation to how the system works? How much are you bound by what is in the legislation?