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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

I could pursue that, but I will not, as I think I would get out of my depth quite quickly.

Some of this touches on decision-making issues that we discussed earlier this morning, so forgive me if it overlaps a bit with that. One issue that came up was with bill teams in the civil service. As I understand it, they are generally kept together through the progress of a bill, but might be disbanded afterwards, which can impact on the putting into practice of the new policies or legislation. Can you explain how that works?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

Okay. This is quite a complex area. We might need a meeting on that alone, but I will ask one other thing. If I am reading it correctly, there is resource borrowing of £319 million, but there is also an underspend. Why do we need to borrow if there is an underspend?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

John Mason

I saw that she had not said anything so far.

My first question is quite general. Why are some bodies included in the consolidated accounts, while others are not included?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

John Mason

Thanks. That is very helpful. I will come to Professor Flinders shortly, but I will press you on something that you said. You mentioned the short term and the long term quite a few times in your answer. Do you think that it is impossible for politicians and civil servants to take a long-term view unless there is somebody outside kicking them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

John Mason

Thanks. Professor Martin, do you have any comments?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

John Mason

I am interested in the Wales Centre for Public Policy, which other witnesses have spoken of quite positively. Does Scotland need something like that? In Scotland, we have an ad hoc relationship between Government, Parliament and academia; we bring people in to talk about a particular issue and then do not speak to them for a while. Is there just a better relationship between the Government and the universities and academics in Wales and that, as a result, it is a longer-term relationship?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

John Mason

You are not suggesting some quick cut-off—in fact, you are suggesting that it will probably take time—but the aim is that, over time, children from Kent and Cornwall should not be coming to Scotland.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

John Mason

That is great.

I fully accept that there will be a new—or revised—financial memorandum, but I note that at the moment the overall total costs range from £10.67 million to £11.94 million. That is a pretty small amount compared with other bills that the committee has looked at, although I accept that it is still money that we need to look at.

The other thing that struck me was how tight the forecast was. There is, broadly speaking, only a 10 per cent difference between the bottom and top costs. That is a good thing, because we sometimes see financial memorandums that have been absolutely all over the place. How is your range so tight? Indeed, I think that there are some people who feel that it is perhaps too tight.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

John Mason

So, although the future is never predictable, the costs for this bill are, in one sense, a little bit more predictable than they might be in some areas of legislation.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

John Mason

Some money is shared out to local government in different ways—for example, by population share, by need or by other methods.