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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

John Mason

Good morning, and welcome to the 18th meeting in 2023 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee.

Our first agenda item is an evidence-taking session with Shona Robison, the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance, on the Scottish Government’s medium-term financial strategy, the Scottish Fiscal Commission’s economic and fiscal forecasts from May 2023 and her priorities under the First Minister’s policy prospectus. Ms Robison is joined by Scottish Government officials Kathy Johnston, deputy director in the office of the chief economic adviser; Alison Cumming, director of budget and public spending; and Andrew Scott, director of tax and revenues. I welcome you all to the meeting.

I invite Ms Robison to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

John Mason

That raises a range of different issues, which colleagues will come in on when they get their turn.

You have mentioned the fiscal framework review. Can you give us any idea of the timescale for that? Is there any chance that anything can be done for the 2024-25 budget, which looks like it will be pretty crucial? Is it even possible to separate out some of the longer-term issues? Obviously, getting the borrowing limit and some of the figures in that respect changed will be quite urgent. As we have discussed at committee and with the Fiscal Commission, given inflation and the increase in Scottish Government powers, the £300 million figure is really out of date, is it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

John Mason

Can you say anything about the issues that will be involved? Clearly, borrowing has been mentioned, and capital borrowing is another issue to address. There are other issues in the background that have not been dealt with, such as air departure tax and VAT. Do you expect those to be part of the negotiations?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

John Mason

Douglas Lumsden is next.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

John Mason

That is great. Thanks.

One of the points that has come up from a few questioners is the uncertainty of the timing of the UK Government’s budget setting. That issue has come to the committee quite a lot. Although it is a request rather than a question, can you press the UK Government? I know that you cannot dictate to it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

John Mason

If we had consistency every year as to when the UK Government budget was set, we could build on that budget, and local government and everybody else could come afterwards.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

John Mason

One of the terms that we politicians hear from the public is “postcode lottery”, which I personally detest and which I think really means local decision making. However, there needs to be a balance, does there not? When someone turns up with a broken leg, they get the same treatment in Ayrshire as they would in the Highlands, Glasgow or anywhere else. On the other hand, you are dealing with a particular situation: you have two islands, the Highlands are completely different from that, and Glasgow and Edinburgh are different, too.

How do we get that balance? The police model has become more centralised. Does health need to have a more centralised model?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

John Mason

My final question was going to be aimed more at the health and social care partnership, but I will try it with you anyway. Your area covers three local authority areas. Is that a problem, does it not matter or is it a strength? We know that other health boards, such as NHS Fife, for example, pretty well match the local authority area. Is that an issue for you?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

John Mason

Last week, we heard evidence on the information technology side, which was not just about health, that all sorts of public bodies are fishing in the same pool for IT experts. There seems to be a shortage. Has that been your experience?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

John Mason

That opens up a discussion on preventative spend, which is a huge area on which the committee has already spent a lot of time. I will restrain myself on that point, though, and hand over to Michael Marra.